Easiest Defense of Sola Scriptura

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

.... Christ gave us people whom he ordained, who guided by the Holy Spirit, taught the faith faithfully and inerrently. The Bible is not the Word of God alone.
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What gets me is the "inerrency of man" and not enough faith in God's execution of His written word to trust in Him alone as being infallable. So wrong!

 

[Root of Jesse]

If the church could discern 1700 years ago, then it could 1900 years ago, then it could 500 years ago, then it can today. And, if it was discerning, then it is not tradition; and if it was done 1600 years ago, then tell me how that means your church exclusive holder or even continuing in holding truth and speaking it incontrovertibly.

1900 years ago, there was very little written. It was mostly spoken. The reason Paul's letters, and the gospels were considered Scripture is that they were read during worship. The Catholic Church is who determined what was in the Bible. That's all there is to it. And to this day, we are the protector of Sacred Scripture.

Just goes to show infallibility of religious leaders and how you don't just take one man's word as gospel truth. Further, Luther rejected some OT books that the Protestants continue in today.

Yeah, he did. They were inconvenient for his theology.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The faith has never changed but the institution has. Overseerers are a long way from a pope

Actually, they're not. They've evolved, like an oak tree is the same as an acorn. But they're not a long way from a pope.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yah they kinda inherited their own country didn't they

Yes, quite unwillingly. If you consider "Rome" a country, that is.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Catholic (capitalized) refers to the Christian sect. catholic (uncapitalized) means universal. If that wasn't true, why doesn't your sect refer to itself as "the catholic church"?

They do.

Christ created one church, his body of all believers. He didn't create one hierarchical, corporate institution.

Yeah, he did, with the apostles (and their successors, as the leaders.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that the [Catholic] institution is only infallible in matters of faith. Christ is infallible; no man-made institution is infallible.

The Church is the Body of Christ, therefore infallible.

"If your brother sins, speak to your brother, if that doesn't work, take it to a few of your brothers, if that doesn't work, take it to the Church..." means take it to the body of believers, not to some corporate institution. "Church" is NOT capitalized.

So what?

Our loyalty is to God through Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit -- only -- not to some priesthood as there was in the Old Covenant, and was reconstructed by Constantine, the Roman emperor, with its massive architecture, hierarchical leadership, ornate symbolism, ritual, and regalia.

You were doing great until you got to Constantine. The structure of the hierarchy preceded him by about 250 years...

 

[Root of Jesse]

Some people need to say "My church. Mine!" and work the name of it into every one of their posts. They need to feel better than other believers.

But if you've noticed, many members virtually never mention the name of their denomination, let alone crow about how it's the only one, the best one, the infallible one, whatever.

They apparently don't have a need to keep telling themselves that they are right.

My pride is simply because it's Jesus' church. I have a need to keep telling myself that Jesus is right, and I will forever do that.

 

[Root of Jesse]

What gets me is the "inerrency of man" and not enough faith in God's execution of His written word to trust in Him alone as being infallable. So wrong!

The men Christ entrusted with inerrency have it because of Him, not because of them.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The men Christ entrusted with inerrency have it because of Him, not because of them.

The bible is a volumn of God's words and deeds, satan's actions and mankind's words and deeds. Nowhere does God EVER ascribe inerrency to anything but His account of the truth.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Yes, quite unwillingly. If you consider "Rome" a country, that is.

Oh I'm sure they were quite willing to take over a country that was left to them

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Actually, they're not. They've evolved, like an oak tree is the same as an acorn. But they're not a long way from a pope.

An overseer is not some nut that's gonna turn into a pope one day. That analogy is so far off it's wordless.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Oh I'm sure they were quite willing to take over a country that was left to them

To provide for the protection and needs of the people, yes. That was their responsibility.

 

[Root of Jesse]

An overseer is not some nut that's gonna turn into a pope one day. That analogy is so far off it's wordless.

Some nut that turns into a tree, friend. Peter was a sinful man who grew into the leader of the Catholic Church, as did the scared apostles who ran away, who turned into the martyrs and defenders of the faith of Jesus Christ.

 

[pescador]

He looked at Peter and said "Get behind me Satan". He didn't say "Peter, you are Satan, and I need you to get behind me."
He said to Peter "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven."

Peter’s refusal to accept Jesus’ predicted suffering and death is seen as a satanic attempt to deflect Jesus from his God-appointed course, and the disciple is addressed in terms that recall Jesus’ dismissal of the devil in the temptation account (Mt 4:10: “Get away, Satan!”).

As my granddaughter says, "whatever!"

 

[pescador]

Some nut that turns into a tree, friend. Peter was a sinful man who grew into the leader of the Catholic Church, as did the scared apostles who ran away, who turned into the martyrs and defenders of the faith of Jesus Christ.

Where -- anywhere! -- does it say that Peter grew into the leader of the Catholic Church?? And now you're including those who were with Jesus when he was arrested: the apostles (not anybody else?)!

READ YOUR BIBLE! Sola scriptura!

 

[pescador]

1900 years ago, there was very little written. It was mostly spoken. The reason Paul's letters, and the gospels were considered Scripture is that they were read during worship. The Catholic Church is who determined what was in the Bible. That's all there is to it. And to this day, we are the protector of Sacred Scripture.Yeah, he did. They were inconvenient for his theology.

"The Catholic Church is who determined what was in the Bible"? Those of the Jewish, Orthodox, and Protestant faiths had nothing to do with it? Ha ha ha! You are the protector of Sacred Scripture? Ha ha ha!

Stop with the excessive pride! As Jesus said, "Go and sin no more".

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Some nut that turns into a tree, friend. Peter was a sinful man who grew into the leader of the Catholic Church, as did the scared apostles who ran away, who turned into the martyrs and defenders of the faith of Jesus Christ.

As we are to mature in faith, but there's no hierarchy in that.Your analogies seem only intended to protect your church and never the Word. There's so much scripture that I could quote but I`m sure you know them all. However not being on the side of that scripture by placing yourself outside of the word and aligned with what... manmade words...

 

[Root of Jesse]

As my granddaughter says, "whatever!"

Very mature answer.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Where -- anywhere! -- does it say that Peter grew into the leader of the Catholic Church?? And now you're including those who were with Jesus when he was arrested: the apostles (not anybody else?)!

READ YOUR BIBLE! Sola scriptura!

The Bible is only about the first generation of the Church. But Jesus made Peter the head of the apostles, and they showed it by the way they reacted to him.

You need to learn comprehension, friend. The apostles, including Peter, ran away. They were, still, to lead the Church out of the age of Christ, and Christ told us that His Church would last until the end of the age.

I do read my Bible, every day. I disagree that the Bible is the only word of God.

 

[Root of Jesse]

"The Catholic Church is who determined what was in the Bible"? Those of the Jewish, Orthodox, and Protestant faiths had nothing to do with it? Ha ha ha! You are the protector of Sacred Scripture? Ha ha ha!

Stop with the excessive pride! As Jesus said, "Go and sin no more".

That's right. First, the Jews determined their own Canon after the Church did. The Orthodox were, originally, part of "the Church". The Protestants came later, and detracted from the Bible.

 

[samir]

It's obvious that you have swallowed the Catholic doctrine hook, line, and sinker without any regard for what the Bible says, church history, or common sense. None of what you say is true.


You made a claim about the New Testament churches teaching a variety of contradictory doctrines. I asked for evidence and you weren't able to provide anything so there is nothing to discuss.

I stand by what the Bible says and only what the Bible says.

You say that but you failed to provide even one verse in the Bible to support your claims. Let me know if you ever find any biblical evidence to support your position.