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Incorrect use of the word "Word."
But we believe it to be true, and that's assumed by the nature of the question.
Incorrect use of the word "tradition."
There's two kinds of tradition. Sacred Tradition is God's word. 't'radition is man made. Paul told his followers to abide by the traditions he taught them, did he not?
Christ acknowledged the OT at the written word of God. The NT was not around yet. So I will ask again, who told you that scripture (including the NT) is the word of God?
How do they follow the same approach? Please give me an example.
No, it isn't--not when all the opponents of SS say that their way, Tradition, is better. It isn't. You can't name even one doctrine from Tradition that you know for a fact is God's truth and yet you want us to doubt God's word in Scripture.I mean it is impossible to prove that every word of scripture is true so it is hypocritical to demand that people prove the unwritten tradition is true.
Sacred Scripture is a collection of ancient documents. How do you know which ancient documents are what they claim to be, and which ones truly belong in the collection? For example, how do you know that Paul's letter to the Hebrews was actually written by Paul?4) Prove another source of incontrovertible truth.
Right. Thank you for acknowledging that.Sorry, that is NOT the definition of SS that I know of. SS is a Christian theological doctrine which holds that the Christian Scriptures are the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
That is the definition of SS. Yours does not match.
No, it isn't--not when all the opponents of SS say that their way, Tradition, is better. It isn't.
You can't name even one doctrine from Tradition that you know for a fact is God's truth
you want us to doubt God's word in Scripture.
Well, there are also plenty of Christians who'd deny that those things are supported by Scripture.Since all of those things are supported by Scripture and believed by Christians for that reason, Holy Tradition doesn't play a role in any of it.
Right. It is a right and reasonable generalization.These are premises; there's nothing incontrovertible about any of them. It's a matter of opinion that Scripture is God's word, an opinion that, with His grace, I agree with. Likewise it's a matter of opinion by some that God can and has spoken through other means as well.
LOL... excuse me,... you must not get out much.QUOTE="samir, post:I don't know any opponents of SS who claim the unwritten tradition is better than the written tradition (scripture). Everyone I know thinks God's word is equal and the highest authority whether it is written or unwritten.
Welllllllll,... yeahhhhhh.... but hopefully not in some repulsively smug way. It is better in the sense that it's origins and specifics are less debatable, being documents. That's all.It is the supporters of SS who claim the written word of God is better than the unwritten word of God.
I have no trouble respecting that.Sure I can. I believe the Trinity is true based on Tradition. I believe the four gospels are scripture based on Tradition. I believe in baptismal regeneration, infant baptism, and the necessity of baptism for salvation based on Tradition.
Me too! Much love, bro.That is a completely false accusation. I consider God's word the highest authority and don't want anyone to doubt it.
Be yee not too concerned with his opinion.Yeah, the majority of Protestants I know think they are opposed to scripture. I wonder if Albion thinks those Protestants are not Christians.
Me some too, please?So the Holy Spirit told YOU specifically that the Bible is the written word of God? Ok, thats fair, then let me ask you this, exactly where did the Bible come from? When was it first introduced to the world?
Oh, hmm, can you show me where Jesus told us to "listen to the church"?Jesus told us to listen to the Church. Not everything Jesus taught is in the bible.
What did Jesus teach here?
Acts 1
3After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God
Welllllllll,... yeahhhhhh.... but hopefully not in some repulsively smug way. It is better in the sense that it's origins and specifics are less debatable, being documents. That's all.
You can still be saved without it.
You can even be holier.
Yes the Bible is the "living" Word of God (better get my capitalization right here).The true word is Living, the written word is of man writing about God. The Christian church may establish membership rules around SS but that doesn't mean the scripture is all true. There are many mistakes in scripture but no mistakes in God.
Oh, hmm, can you show me where Jesus told us to "listen to the church"?
So only the Church gets the Holy Spirit and not believers?Christ is sending the Spirit to HIS CHURCH,
We do, it is called the Body of Christ.....all true believers....not just members of a particular denomination.If you were one Church, you'd have one voice, one doctrine.
Yeah, it is called faith.....belief in that which you cannot see.....maybe you heard of it.....I mean it is impossible to prove that every word of scripture is true so it is hypocritical to demand that people prove the unwritten tradition is true.
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