Alonso_Castillo
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It Means that you have to obey and clean your sins by Confesion to the Priests:
John 20:23
when you forgive men’s sins, they are forgiven, when you hold them bound, they are held bound.
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It still means, if interpreted the way you want, that none of us can be saved, since all are sinners. Even the just man falls seven times a day, so he'd be lost too.
Just to be clear, none of that was denied by what I wrote earlier, although it appears that all of it is denied by Alonso's thinking.The point of following God is not that we will ever stop sinning, it is that we want to stop and try to stop. So grace is still the reason for our salvation, but effort is the command.
Let me help you with that. This was spoken to the Apostles, so we believe that the authority to pronounce God's forgiveness is given to the church, but nothing in that says that this is "THE" way or "THE ONLY" way for any of us to repent and be forgiven.It Means that you have to obey and clean your sins by Confesion to the Priests:
John 20:23
when you forgive men’s sins, they are forgiven, when you hold them bound, they are held bound.
Let me help you with that. This was spoken to the Apostles, so we believe that the authority to pronounce God's forgiveness is given to the church, but nothing in that says that this is "THE" way or "THE ONLY" way for any of us to repent and be forgiven.
I see that you have now qualified what you wrote earlier and moved in the direction of "AnticipateHisComing's" point in post #482. So, that's to the good.It says that Jesús Wanted it that way and if you refuse to obey him you are going to be bound to your sins.
I see that you have now qualified what you wrote earlier and moved in the direction of "AnticipateHisComing's" point in post #482. So, that's to the good.
That "rule" would effectively eliminate all of us.
The point of the incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Christ is not that he will save those who are obedient (for that is what the existing policy already was at the time of Jesus' birth) but that he will save sinners.
That is Gringo Cartoon fantasy.
Alonso Castillo said:the ways all non Catholic Christians create to make their stances suitable for salvation hope are not the way of Jesús.
Of course. If anyone were righteous for having kept the Commandments perfectly at all times, he would be righteous on his own account and not need a Savior.Are you saying obedience is impossible?
If He is a creation "of" the trinity......who are the members of the trinity?In my theology Jesus isn't the second person of Triune deity, he is a creation of the Trinity.
Heresy is a term invented by the "brown shirts" of church government to maintain control of the people and the churches message.......for everyone's own good of coarse.
Of course. If anyone were righteous for having kept the Commandments perfectly at all times, he would be righteous on his own account and not need a Savior.
And, who, exactly, determined that he was of the same honor as James? Who says that any man has this power anymore?No where in the catechism of the Catholic Church you read of Peter at the Gates of Heaven. That is Gringo Cartoon fantasy.
When James died A new Bishop was put in his place just before Jerusalem was Destroyed.
Saint Simeón of Jerusalem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_of_Jerusalem
The saints mentioned here are the saved people who have died and the martyrs of the tribulation. Basicly any person who has accepted the saving grace of God and is saved is a Saint and that is who they are talking about here and the prayers are not to other saints they are prayers "from" saints, the saved, to God.I think you missed Catastrophically the Book of Revelation:
Revelation 5:8
8 and when he disclosed it,[1] the four living figures and the twenty-four elders fell down in the Lamb’s presence. Each bore a harp, and they had golden bowls full of incense, the prayers of the saints.
Now, how did the Prayers of the Believers reached the bowls of the Elders in heaven???????
Of course. If anyone were righteous for having kept the Commandments perfectly at all times, he would be righteous on his own account and not need a Savior.
I do not need a priest. Christ opened the line directly to Himself, when He was on the cross. I can pray directly to Him and ask Him for forgiveness. I can do it at home, in the car, in a church, on the golf course, in a plane, on a tractor, at work........where ever I am.It Means that you have to obey and clean your sins by Confesion to the Priests:
John 20:23
when you forgive men’s sins, they are forgiven, when you hold them bound, they are held bound.
And, who, exactly, determined that he was of the same honor as James? Who says that any man has this power anymore?
I do not need a priest. Christ opened the line directly to Himself, when He was on the cross. I can pray directly to Him and ask Him for forgiveness. I can do it at home, in the car, in a church, on the golf course, in a plane, on a tractor, at work........where ever I am.
The need for anyone to intercede for me was done the moment the curtain, veil, was rent from top to bottom signalling that there was no division between God and man anymore.
Then let's stick with the first of those and agree that it--Works Righteousness--is not the reason any of us has the prospect of salvation.There is a difference between striving to be 100% righteous out of obedience, and trying to be obedient because the law demands it 100% - in order to be saved.
He IS God, so of course he was sinless by nature.I think we all agree The Man is Christ, and He is the only One that can, at least, be said to be 100% sinless from birth to death - fully obedient to God.
Hopefully, that's so. But so also does it apply to the "good works" that such a person may perform after conversion. No one should think that these are even partially responsible for the salvation of any believer.So, I don't think any learned student of God would burden his or herself with the law as an atlas stone to follow in order to get salvation.
It is arrogant for any man made denomonation to determine that they alone are the Church or body of Christ. Any human who has accepted Christ as their savior is part of the body of Christ. God could care less what "denomonation" your parents were.... it's nothing but an earthly denotation. God sees your heart. A person born Muslim, who accepts Christ is now a member of the church. A Budist, who accepts Christ is now a member. A Catholic. Anglican, Baptist, Jew or Tibetin monk who accept Christ for who He is, the savior, is then at that moment and forever after a member of the Church or the Body of Christ...Christ will Save those who obeyed him, If Christ spoke of His CHURCH, and not of his CHURCHES is because he was Forming ONE FLOCK not MANY FLOCKS, Christ has ONLY ONE BODY, NOT MANY BODIES.
Hebrews 3:18-19
18 To whom did he swear that they should never attain his rest? Those who disobey him.
19 We see, then, the consequences of unbelief; this it was that denied them entrance.
18 τίσιν δὲ ὤμοσεν μὴ εἰσελεύσεσθαι εἰς τὴν κατάπαυσιν αὐτοῦ εἰ μὴ τοῖς ἀπειθήσασιν;
19 καὶ βλέπομεν ὅτι οὐκ ἠδυνήθησαν εἰσελθεῖν δι' ἀπιστίαν.
John 20 says nothing of confession...Christ COMMANDED CONFESSION the very Day of His Resurrection, At least read the Bible, John 20 .
If your claim was true why then would Christ ratified his command after resurrection? that way we know your claim is fake.
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