Earth is geocentric (perhaps even flat)

[JaniMelody]

Nice i didn t knew this was fake, but common u went to far this vid doesn t prove there s no universe out there lol do you really believe so ?

 

[sfs]

That particular mistranslation has been extensively discussed elsewhere. A correct translation would be: O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge” (ESV).

Sounds like the Bible is saying to avoid the internet.

 

[KWCrazy]

So now we have someone posting as a Baptists, proclaiming to be a believer of the Scriptures who is intentionally misrepresenting the Bible in order to make a point the Bible never makes and publicly discredit it. How pathetic.

The shape of the earth is not discussed in the Scriptures. Those who believed the earth was flat had no knowledge of any world beyond the seas; which they could not cross. Scientists and scholars alike concurred that the world consisted of the bodies of land they were on. It wasn't until much late that we learned the profound truth of Jesus' words, "As far as the east is from the west; so far will I remove your sins from you." When we discovered that the earth had poles we learned that if you go north to the pole at that point you can only move south. The same is true with the south pole. However, if you travel east you will never end up going west. Not ever. In Job it is said that Gog 'hangs the world on nothing." Nobody at the time knew that the earth was suspended in space. Nobody but the Lord.

This lie about the Bible teaching a flat earth has been around for a long time. However, in Luke 17 Jesus talks about His return, when some will be in the field (day) and some will in a bed (night). This demonstrated a knowledge that others did not have about the shape of the earth.

In my opinion, the OP is a fraud and a lie from someone who created an account with the sole agenda of making Christianity look bad.

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

KWCrazy, that is sure possible, someone making up some obscure point, twisting scripture, to discredit Christianity.

 

[Split Rock]

A circle is a circle and a sphere is a sphere. A circle can have four corners...but a sphere cannot!

You are very funny! I have one for you... how many sides does a circle have?

Two... an inside and an outside! LOL

I guess you never heard of a fisheye lens. All the "ballons" end up spinning rapidly (go see for yourself)......can't imagine what that would do to any asstronots on re-entry. I guess both are hoaxes...one to give credibility to the other.

Start watching at 6:00. Tell me how the asstronots would handle those type of g-forces on re-entry? (I say the whole thing is fake)

What the heck is an "asstronot?"

 

[Elendur]

...
What the heck is an "asstronot?"

Hesitant astronauts with a lot of junk in their trunk?

 

[Split Rock]

So now we have someone posting as a Baptists, proclaiming to be a believer of the Scriptures who is intentionally misrepresenting the Bible in order to make a point the Bible never makes and publicly discredit it. How pathetic.

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This lie about the Bible teaching a flat earth has been around for a long time. However, in Luke 17 Jesus talks about His return, when some will be in the field (day) and some will in a bed (night). This demonstrated a knowledge that others did not have about the shape of the earth.

In my opinion, the OP is a fraud and a lie from someone who created an account with the sole agenda of making Christianity look bad.

You are very likely correct... although with creationists like you posting here, trolling like this isn't really necessary.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We do EVERYTHING upside down!

Don't you mean 'bass ackwards'?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Poe's Law?

Seems so.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

So now we have someone posting as a Baptists, proclaiming to be a believer of the Scriptures who is intentionally misrepresenting the Bible in order to make a point the Bible never makes and publicly discredit it. How pathetic.

Lol, your outrage is quite amusing.

This lie about the Bible teaching a flat earth has been around for a long time. However, in Luke 17 Jesus talks about His return, when some will be in the field (day) and some will in a bed (night). This demonstrated a knowledge that others did not have about the shape of the earth.

I think the greeks had got there some time before actually.

In my opinion, the OP is a fraud and a lie from someone who created an account with the sole agenda of making Christianity look bad.

Interesting. that's what most of us think about all the rest of you fundamentalist bible literalists. 'They can't be for real.' 'They're just pretending, surely?' 'Nobody could be that dense', 'it has to be a joke, they're doing it on purpose!' But no, sadly we've all come to realise that bible literalists really are 'for real'. But it's still hard to believe sometimes. That's why Poe's Law was invented and why we keep telling you all what a wonderful job you are doing turning people away from your beliefs, but, mindbogglingly, none of it seems to register with any of you.

Maybe this flat-earther is giving you a little glimpse of yourselves from our viewpoint. Frightening, isn't it!

 

[TLK Valentine]

So now we have someone posting as a Baptists, proclaiming to be a believer of the Scriptures who is intentionally misrepresenting the Bible in order to make a point the Bible never makes and publicly discredit it. How pathetic.

Is it any less pathetic to make a point the Bible never makes in order to publicly support it?

 

[BL2KTN]

The shape of the earth is not discussed in the Scriptures.

Yes it is. The bible says in multiple places (Genesis and Job) that the sky is a dome, even saying that it is a metallic dome. A dome is impossible over a sphere... it requires a flat surface to exist. What this guy is doing is applying the scriptures honestly to his cosmology. In response you are doing what we do - disagreeing with him because of extra-biblical fact.

Those who believed the earth was flat had no knowledge of any world beyond the seas; which they could not cross. Scientists and scholars alike concurred that the world consisted of the bodies of land they were on.

Many people of very ancient times knew the Earth was round using primitive math. The Greeks come to mind immediately.

It wasn't until much late that we learned the profound truth of Jesus' words, "As far as the east is from the west; so far will I remove your sins from you." When we discovered that the earth had poles we learned that if you go north to the pole at that point you can only move south. The same is true with the south pole.

Jesus easily could have been referring to an infinite plane. There is nothing there to suggest he knew the Earth was round. Certainly he could have said such a thing and given all of us much more reason to believe he had special knowledge of some kind. Instead he told us that abused women cannot divorce their husbands and that people who disbelieve in his teachings would be set on fire forever as a just punishment. Well, actually some writing about him which were selected by some people based on flat-earth beliefs said that.

And that's what is funny about your argument. The four gospels you read were chosen based on the idea that the earth is flat.

"The Gospels could not possibly be either more or less in number than they are. Since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the Church is spread over all the earth, and the pillar and foundation of the Church is the gospel, and the Spirit of life, it fittingly has four pillars, everywhere breathing out incorruption and revivifying men." -- Iranaeus

In Job it is said that Gog 'hangs the world on nothing." Nobody at the time knew that the earth was suspended in space. Nobody but the Lord.

The Earth is not suspended in space, and thus your Lord is clueless about how the universe is made. You and I are currently moving with the Earth at 1.4 million kilometers per hour. That is hardly "suspended".

However, in Luke 17 Jesus talks about His return, when some will be in the field (day) and some will in a bed (night). This demonstrated a knowledge that others did not have about the shape of the earth.

There is no such reference except in your imagination. The text explicitly says the return would happen at night. It does not say some will be in a field.

In my opinion, the OP is a fraud and a lie from someone who created an account with the sole agenda of making Christianity look bad.

You and others do well enough.

 

[Loudmouth]

So now we have someone posting as a Baptists, proclaiming to be a believer of the Scriptures who is intentionally misrepresenting the Bible in order to make a point the Bible never makes and publicly discredit it. How pathetic.

The lack of self awareness is complete in this creationist.

 

[morse86]

Where did I intentionally misreprent the bible? The bible says the earth is flat, period. There are so many verses to prove it.

The bible warns about falsely so called science. I believe the ISS and the photoshops of the earth are falsely so called science....they have to do mental acrobatics in logic to support their theories. Just look at the hilarious explanation of the astronaut re-entry vs weather ballon spinning rapidly in space.

Both flat earth and geocentrism support day in one part of the world and night in the other part....so not sure what KWCrazy is talking about.

 

[bhsmte]

Where did I intentionally misreprent the bible? The bible says the earth is flat, period. There are so many verses to prove it.

The bible warns about falsely so called science. I believe the ISS and the photoshops of the earth are falsely so called science....they have to do mental acrobatics in logic to support their theories. Just look at the hilarious explanation of the astronaut re-entry vs weather ballon spinning rapidly in space.

Both flat earth and geocentrism support day in one part of the world and night in the other part....so not sure what KWCrazy is talking about.

Are you really this desperate for attention?

Come on, things can't be that bad.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Are you really this desperate for attention?

Come on, things can't be that bad.

Have you seen the state of American Creationism? We can only hope things are that bad...

 

[Delphiki]

I agree the bible says the earth is flat. I don't agree with the bible, however, because it's demonstrably very wrong.

 

[keith99]

I agree the bible says the earth is flat. I don't agree with the bible, however, because it's demonstrably very wrong.

I disagree. The Bible says things from which one might infer the Earth is flat. That is entirely different.

If I say I went on a Picnic last weekend and sat by the shore and watched the sunset does that mean I think the sun orbits the earth?

If I get poetic about it and say we saw the sun sink beneath the waves does that mean I believe in a flat Earth?

No to both.

And anyone taking it that way shows they are a fool. Or in the case of scripture are responding to fools. (If someone argues the whole of Scripture is to be taken literally then pointing out the absurdity of reading some verses that way is fair game, but we need to not forget just who is being responded to in that situation).

 

[morse86]

If not flat earth, then creationists should at the very least support geocentrism.

Joshua 10:13:
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

If the sun stood still, then that means the sun was orbiting the earth not the other way around. This proves geocentrism (along with many other verses).....flat earth also supports the celestial objects circling the earth.

Both the sun AND the moon stood still...this proves celestial objects orbit the earth.


Are we going to trust the worldly science and NASA and make excuses or are we going to let God's word speak for itself? Many verses....the bible is literally saying it's a flat earth.

 

[Delphiki]

I disagree. The Bible says things from which one might infer the Earth is flat. That is entirely different.

If I say I went on a Picnic last weekend and sat by the shore and watched the sunset does that mean I think the sun orbits the earth?

If I get poetic about it and say we saw the sun sink beneath the waves does that mean I believe in a flat Earth?

No to both.

And anyone taking it that way shows they are a fool. Or in the case of scripture are responding to fools. (If someone argues the whole of Scripture is to be taken literally then pointing out the absurdity of reading some verses that way is fair game, but we need to not forget just who is being responded to in that situation).

If the people who wrote it lived in a time where the shape of the earth was widely known and understood, I might agree with you. However, Genesis 1 clearly gives you the mythological step by step creation of the universe, which describes the sky as a vault, from which the stars, sun, and moon are hung. There's a reason why, despite what Eratosthenes had discovered, many people through history still insisted on a flat earth until the 16th century (Thank you, Magellan).

Not only does the bible assume a flat earth, there's no way it's authors would have known or had any indication otherwise unless they were some of the rare few who accepted Pythagoras's "radical idea".

In the bible, there are mountains from which you can see the entire earth, which sits upon pillars, and is a firmament that separates heavens. The idea that the bible suggests a more spheroid earth is merely a reactive interpretation to forgive it for it's abundance of faults... Not too different than liberal Christians who say it's not against homosexuality, or that Noah's flood was local (or even total allegory), or that Adam and Eve are symbolic. Nonsense.

What's always been apparent, and still is today, is that the further you distance your interpretation of the bible from the original, the better your ability to accept basic facts, critically think, and the better your ethics and morals. Interesting, that.