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Noteworthy verse there, indeed...Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth"
My Navigation teacher in Ships Class always used Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth" to prove that the earth is round,
And since you cannot "sail over the edge" with your ship, that makes plenty sense?
Also how on "earth" would a cow patty suspended in the Universe not totally get blown abouts?
Don't we need the center of gravity (oh another point I guess) and all that.
Everything is in such delicate balance - why would all planets be beautiful orbs and we would be a Pancake?
So many amazing ancient scientists have figured this out so long ago, with scientific proof that I find it baffling that there is still ANY debate on this.
Plus all the pictures we have of earth and all that stuff...
Y'all the devil is a liar but even he isn't that powerful. I mean he will lie to you personally but he can't make anything different from what God established in the beginning of time
No. Science is verifiable and the Old Tesetament was written by ancient tribe with mythological ideas about the universe which you accept as scientific and true.Au contraire, God is true, scientism is tribal.
No. Science is verifiable and the Old Tesetament was written by ancient tribe with mythological ideas about the universe which you accept as scientific and true.
You are confused about inspiration.
When you point the finger, how many are pointing back atcha?
First, it's spelled 'testament', and that means 'to testify' or 'to witness'. Like we have 'witnesses' in court, who give 'evidence'. For example 'opinion evidence' which is generally 'inadmissible' as evidence. Now, there's a limited exception in this area for experts who can present 'opinion'.
'Experts' such as Neil deGrasse Tyson, renowned physicist, who states, in reference to dark matter and dark energy, 'We're 95% stupid', conceding the cosmological model is almost totally unproven.
'Experts' such as Michiu Kaku, renowned theoretical physicist, who tells us that the gap between theory and observation in cosmology is 10^120, 'the largest mismatch ever'.
'Experts' such as Einstein, famous physicist, who along with many others, admits the motion of the earth cannot be detected. This is strange, given that it's allegedly moving in 4 directions simultaneously at a combined tempo of some 1 million mph. You'd think...well, this is just scratching the surface.
So what does all this 'testimony of expert conclave' add up to? A whole pile of donut, sir. Goose-egg plus nada times zip.
Thank you, but you can keep your myths, I'll stick with the faithful and true teachings of the HS as set forth in God's holy Bible.
Flat earth believers are the ones that have been indoctrinated and sown lies. Fed untruths and unscientific information. They are extremely gullible and naive.
A map, dude. FE can't even come up with a map that works.
Sailing off the edge means you have to go there first.
All the models of flat earth I have shown are both circles and round.Hm My Navigation teacher in Ships Class always used Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth" to prove that the earth is round, And since you cannot "sail over the edge" with your ship, that makes plenty sense?
I actually became a flat earther before becoming Christian. Flat earth both strengthened my belief in Christianity being the truth and in turn increased my belief in Flat Earth.I wonder what you are trying to achieve with all these strange "theories"?
I don't remember being saved and then immediately jumping to all these hair splitting, weird conspiracies.
Kind of a sequel to my "Hell is not Eternal" thread I thought I'd tackle another major topic that Christians are divided on and that's the shape of the Earth. Flat Earth is biblical but after centuries of of indoctrination the majority of the world population including most Christians believe Earth is a spinning ball floating in space orbiting the Sun orbiting a black hole.
First of all, why lie?
If people knew what Earth really was then they would know that our existence isn't a coincidence and we have a creator. The Big Bang theory model of the universe makes earth and humanity seem insignificant and that there is a possibility of life on other "planets". Alien life means the bible is false and humans aren't special enough to be made in God's image because we evolved from apes. Think about it, why would God make all these other planets and suns with life and only focus on one? That's highly inefficient.
So what is Earth?
Earth is not a "planet", there's no such thing. They just added the letter "t" to the word plane which is what we are living on. Using the Hebrew model of the Earth shown below we can see a rough view of what we are living on.
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." - Genisis 1:2
The waters God saw are what we know as space or the 2nd Heaven. It is the area between Heaven (3rd Heaven, God's Domain) and the dry land which is Earth.
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." - Genisis 1:6-8
The firmament is the indestructible dome God created that separates the 1st and 2nd heaven. It is what is preventing the waters God saw in the beginning from pouring over us, I'll explain later what the stars and planets are below.
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." - Genisis 1:9-10
After God separated the first two heavens with the firmament, the dry land appeared which is what we are currently standing on. He left some water which is what we know as the ocean and the seas. This should give you a clear image of what Earth is now, you can see that it is not a "planet" but a flat plane that could span forever for all we know.
What are the stars and planets?
Stars are created in the waters above the firmament though a phenomenon called Sonoluminescence. To avoid making this thread bigger than it already is I'll just leave it at that. I'm still not entirely sure what planets like Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are so your guess is as good as mine.
What is the Sun and Moon?
The sun and moon hover and rotate above the earth and below the firmament and are the same size. The sun provides light during the day and the moon during the night. Both are required to create days as they revolve in a circle around earth. The moon is actually transparent and you can see stars through it if you look for them.
The moon is actually transparent and you can see stars through it if you look for them.
I remember once as a kid seeing something like this except with less stars, I believe it was 2, one large one small. I found it strange seeing as how there shouldn't be stars there since the moon is supposed to be solid.Just out of curiosity, how many stars have you seen looking through the moon?
If I can provide a somewhat different counterpoint: for myself and many other Christians, scientific discovery about the complexity of the universe actually strengthens our faith in God and the Bible. When we see the incredible vastness of the universe, of how deliberate, complex, and particular everything is, we see that there HAS to be an all-powerful Creator for any of this to exist. Our relative smallness in comparison to everything God created in space doesn't make us insignificant. In seeing how small we are compared to God's power of creation, His love for us becomes even more incredible!
If the idea that the earth is round is truly a Satanic lie, I don't see how it's effective at tearing people away from Christ. It doesn't change God's creative power, His love for us, or Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection. As previously stated, scientific discovery about earth, the universe, space, etc. often strengthen belief in God as sovereign Creator as opposed to weakening it. If a round earth is the devil's deception, it's far from his best work.
I remember once as a kid seeing something like this except with less stars, I believe it was 2, one large one small. I found it strange seeing as how there shouldn't be stars there since the moon is supposed to be solid.
Photos without any sources are of no use in a debate these days. Your daylight Moon photo could be just an odd unknown effect. A high flying plane might even be the source of the dot. It could be photo shop. It could be due to a bad sensor in the camera. There are all sorts of explanations which is why it is of no use.I remember once as a kid seeing something like this except with less stars, I believe it was 2, one large one small. I found it strange seeing as how there shouldn't be stars there since the moon is supposed to be solid.
Another time in the day, probably around sunset I saw a star in the "shaded" area of the moon which I also found strange. I didn't think much of it but it made me question the moon landing. These two events fueled my curiosity of flat earth when I first got into it.
Want more proof that Globe Earth is a deception from Satan?
Globe Earth's tilt is 23.4°
90° - 23.4° = 66.6°
Globe Earth's Curvature Formula is 18in per mile squared
If 8in per mile squared then
1 mile = .666ft
Orbit speed = 18.5 mps (miles per second)
18.5mps = 66,600 mph
Don't believe me? Do the math. What are the odds? Are you sure God would create Earth with the mark of the beast all over? I think not.
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