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E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial

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I also know that a lot of folks think that UFO and alien encounters are actually demonic. in an age where we put so much stock in science and our own rationality, what better way for the demons to deceive us?

so by making ET all cute and nice, you are making what could normally be a demonic encounter seem like it would not be that bad. I think that's part of the point.

and I say this as a sci fi fan
This.

The deception wouldn't be subtle if everyone could see it.


I'm not saying whether Fr. Seraphim was necessarily correct or not, by saying that ET was specifically demonic, but instead that his discernment was certainly more trained and sharp than my own...
 
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I also know that a lot of folks think that UFO and alien encounters are actually demonic. in an age where we put so much stock in science and our own rationality, what better way for the demons to deceive us?

so by making ET all cute and nice, you are making what could normally be a demonic encounter seem like it would not be that bad. I think that's part of the point.

and I say this as a sci fi fan
Good points. Personally, I'd wonder whether or not people would be more open to deception if thinking that it's okay for ET creatures to have their own religion (in the name of how all are different) and thus seeing ET Beings come down with their own views would lend more credence to the thought others already have when seeing CHristianity as simply one view among many others...and something that cannot be proven to be true just because many believe it strongly. Moreover, by making E.T creatures look innocent rather than scarey, one can make it possible to make all other practices by them that may clearly be demonic in origin/content seem less of an issue.

As II Corinthians 11 already notes how the enemy can appear as an angel of light, with the ability to appear shining/pretty never changing (as evidenced by many who had visitations by what they assumed to be angels...and those angels told them to do A LOT of evil things or things counter to what the scriptures say)....just because a creature looks nice doesn't mean it can be trusted.

However, IMHO, I would think that it's also possible for alien to truly be present--and even if it looks not really menancing, I don't know if one would need to automatically get in the defensive by suspecting them to be demonic.

C.S Lewis, in his "Space Triology" series, was very brilliant in the ways that he brought out the concept of alien worlds existing and yet still needing to be under the rule/lordship of the Almighty....and for many, it seems to give a bit of fresh air to understand that believing in E.T doesn't mean one must cease believing in Christ. If a UFO showed up tommorrow at the White House, many would be of the mindset that they'd be in just as much need of the Savior as anyone else....and the only way to tell if/when it's demonic or not is if they advocate that Christ is not real. If they said that they were wanting to learn of and follow Jesus Christ as our Lord/Savior", would it still be necessary for people to think "It's a DEMON!!!!"

Even if other alien beings showed up/had their own religion set up, I don't know if I would be thinking they're demonic. What I would be processing is whether or not it's possible the Lord made other creations in existence...and they happened to find their way to our planet, with the Lord desiring that His redeemed people evangelize/preach the Gospel to them just as we do for all others---and perhaps those creations would come to trust in the Lord because of what Christ has sought to accomplish. A genuine alien lifeform coming from a culture with their own religious beliefs would at that point be no different than with others on the planet here who come from differing cultures/have differing religions due to their developmental context....and regardless of the differences, the Gospel of Christ as the ONLY way would still be what needs to be preached/proclaimed.

Just my two cents, as I do wonder. Again, I guess I'd wonder what to make of the possibility of aliens being real and whether or not that really clashes with the testimony of the scriptures? For some things don't seem to be spelled out as clearly...and if the atonement is real, I'd think it'd be far reaching. In the event I didn't say it the right way, for more on, as seen here:

 
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I'm not sure how ET is a demon... all he wants to do is phone home.

If you want to look for the evil in the world, you'll find it everywhere. And if you take a speed pill, you'll see a conspiracy theory in everything.

Star Trek: is it Illuminati propaganda? I duno. .
Gotta say that with Startrek I was rather shocked when processing some of the characters I really liked growing up (like Q of the Q Continuum ) and realizing that it was not by accident that they gave him "God-Like"powers (i.e. immortal, omniscient, and omnipotent, possessing the ability of instantaneous matter-energy transformation and teleportation, as well as the ability of time travel, the ability to move entire asteroid belts and stars, creating alternate timelines, etc ) and discussed often how his people were deemed to be the Creator due to how much control they had to literally reshape the universe. When they said that the Q were ones who evolved/advanced into what they were...or said men could go beyond God, I paused..

For more examples:


Although some of the lessons shared were beneficial/in line with scripture, the ways they presented Q and brought up certain moral issues are probably one of the greatest problems I've always had with the Startrek series. Everytime I viewed it, I was reminded of what Ravi Zacharias has often noted when it comes to the ways that being relativistic in one's worldview makes it where one wants the emotional basis for saying something is morally right or wrong (with villians and heros being defined based on whoever can present their cause as worth following)--and yet the very foundation for determining right and wrong is not solid. On what Ravi said:

 
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Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but aren't you a big Star Trek fan, Rus?

Star Trek has a central philosophy, that of its creator, Gene Roddenberry, deliberately secular humanist relativist pluralism, IDIC is the vast illogical premise of the series, and it does periodically preach against religion, faith, and the things that we believe in general, and always assumes that philosophy.
 
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Has anyone read or watched anything about Billy Meier? I read a book named Light Years about him in the 80's but didn't keep up with his story after that. He has been in contact with "aliens" for decades and has supposedly produced a lot of evidence to back up his claims.
 
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Easy G (G²);60848427 said:
Gotta say that with Startrek I was rather shocked when processing some of the characters I really liked growing up (like Q of the Q Continuum ) and realizing that it was not by accident that they gave him "God-Like"powers (i.e. immortal, omniscient, and omnipotent, possessing the ability of instantaneous matter-energy transformation and teleportation, as well as the ability of time travel, the ability to move entire asteroid belts and stars, creating alternate timelines, etc ) and discussed often how his people were deemed to be the Creator due to how much control they had to literally reshape the universe. When they said that the Q were ones who evolved/advanced into what they were...or said men could go beyond God, I paused.
Although some of the lessons shared were beneficial/in line with scripture, the ways they presented Q are probably one of the greatest problems I've always had with the Startrek series.

Yes, Gurney, I was a BIG Star Trek fan. I can still let myself enjoy some stuff. But the awareness of the philosophy shaping most of it poisons it, and especially when they declare it openly. And there are many dozens of examples when they do.

I still like a lot of stuff - like "Balance of Terror", etc, but my awareness, my learning of what's behind it all has caused my enthusiasm to drop off considerably.
 
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I'm a big fan, but like with a lot of sci-fi, I'm not stupid when it comes to some of the themes. Star Trek V is a good example, when Kirk says "maybe God's in here....human heart?" pointing at his chest. I remember rolling my eyes BIG TIME.

The episode The Mark of Gideon took some little swipes at the Catholics for natural family planning instead of abc.

Like you said, IDIC soundsl like a public education seminar :p

And a lot of episodes have a sense that the aliens are primitives for believing in gods and that there is always a natural explanation for everything...science or technology. Religion is often portrayed on there as ooga-booga shamanistic primitivism...The Apple, Archons, For the World is Hollow, etc.

Roddenberry married Majel Barrett in a shinto Japanese ceremony so that speaks volumes ^_^

And yet in episodes like Bread and Circuses, they boldly talk about Christ and one would think otherwise....or Kirk saying to Apollo, "we find the ONE GOD to be sufficient" something like that

You just surprised me that you watched it since you felt that strongly. You ripped on Dune with me in the past, when I think Dune's endgame wasn't as bad as some think



Yes, Gurney, I was a BIG Star Trek fan. I can still let myself enjoy some stuff. But the awareness of the philosophy shaping most of it poisons it, and especially when they declare it openly. And there are many dozens of examples when they do.

I still like a lot of stuff - like "Balance of Terror", etc, but my awareness, my learning of what's behind it all has caused my enthusiasm to drop off considerably.
 
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The scenes that EasyG posted speak to the point. The regular repetition that our heroes affirm materialism and deny the supernatural. THAT'S what Roddenberry believed, and THAT is the core of his following. Bones like "the Son of God" in Bread and Circuses, still possible in 1966, are no longer likely. They really are the exceptions - what, 2, 3 or 5? - that prove the rule.

Again, I enjoyed Dune, like Star Trek. But when I understand what worldview they purport, what philosophy they affirm, that enjoyment is diminished, and the exceptional and extremely rare bones do not approve the rotting meat of what they affirm, ever so subtly, to us and our children.

The Borg episodes are VERY enjoyable (at least, the early ones were). But when you know enough, it doesn't approve the series as a whole. And KNOWING that they constantly affirm secular "scientific" humanism does put a damper on things.

Picard said it most plainly in directly implying that a belief in the supernatural is darkness and ignorance.
 
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Are you referring to Who Watches the Watchers? That was a very cynical TNG episode. The episode where Riker falls for that androgynous alien and the whole theme was pro-LGBT, that bugged me

The scenes that EasyG posted speak to the point. The regular repetition that our heroes affirm materialism and deny the supernatural. THAT'S what Roddenberry believed, and THAT is the core of his following. Bones like "the Son of God" in Bread and Circuses, still possible in 1966, are no longer likely. They really are the exceptions - what, 2, 3 or 5? - that prove the rule.

Again, I enjoyed Dune, like Star Trek. But when I understand what worldview they purport, what philosophy they affirm, that enjoyment is diminished, and the exceptional and extremely rare bones do not approve the rotting meat of what they affirm, ever so subtly, to us and our children.

The Borg episodes are VERY enjoyable (at least, the early ones were). But when you know enough, it doesn't approve the series as a whole. And KNOWING that they constantly affirm secular "scientific" humanism does put a damper on things.

Picard said it most plainly in directly implying that a belief in the supernatural is darkness and ignorance.
 
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And a lot of episodes have a sense that the aliens are primitives for believing in gods and that there is always a natural explanation for everything...science or technology. Religion is often portrayed on there as ooga-booga shamanistic primitivism...The Apple, Archons, For the World is Hollow, etc.

The ways that the Startrek writers went into religion later on with DS9 was intensive, as I was shocked that they'd bring spirituality into the mix when it came to the Prophets/Emissary theme in DS9:


They even took it further when it came to the ways they described the Dominion (during the Dominion War), as they did extensive genetic modifications on their primary servant races, the Jem'Hadar and the Vorta, to worship them and see themselves (the Founders) as "Gods" and better serve their roles and to ingrain a fanatical devotion to the Founders. (as seen in episodes such as "The Abandoned" and "Ties of Blood and Water" and Treachery, Faith and the Great River). And the ways the Founders literally waged war on the entire Alpha Quadrant as if on Crusade...it really spoke in reference to the ways religion has been used to suppress and the followers of certain religions didn't know how much control was occurring over them.

There are legitimate examples of that, as with the Azetecs when they literally sacrificed thousands everyday in the name of the "gods demanding blood"---and yet the people sacrifices came from were other tribes outside the Aztecs whom they didn't like...and the priests leading the system used religion as a system of control since one could wage more war/get more captives and domincance by spiritualizing. Another would be the ways that Conquistadors were deemed by the Aztecs and other groups to be "gods" due to having pale skin/armor and looking akin to the white gods they had spoke of in legend....all of it prior to being destroyed.

But sadly, what has happened is that people in our times is that people assume all forms of religion are the same way...and thus, they say Christianity is the same. And the world of Startrek has been used to further that mindset, as the consistent theme within the series is that supernatural beings are simply creatures on a higher level of existence that can be explained scientifically/rationally----with it being the case that there's a percieved need to respect others in their views if they wish to deem another creature as something worth worshipping (just like the Federation respected the Bajorans worshipping the Wormhole Aliens)....and yet any kind of veneration/respect for the Divine is seen as naive.


Apart from the very secular humanistic worldview that is seen within the Startrek universe, it is interesting how even the ways others live out their lives in Startrek are reflections of concepts and principles within this era that others have often critiqued as being damaging to humanity...and when combining that with the bad theological viewpoints expressed in it, there's a lot of danger and problems. As another said best by another in their article entitled The Fascist Ideology of Star Trek -- and Firefly, the Anti-Trek:

In a 1996 newspaper column, James P. Pinkerton, discussing the new Star Trek movie (the eighth), Star Trek: First Contact (1996), quotes Captain Picard saying how things have changed in his day, "The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force; we work to better humanity." ....


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Indeed, poverty and want have been abolished, but how this was accomplished is never explained. All we know is, that however it is that people make a living, it isn't through capitalism as we know it. Stocks, corporations, banking, bonds, letters of credit -- all these things seem to have disappeared. We never see Picard, or anyone else, reviewing his investment portfolio. And those who still have a lowly interest in buying and selling, like the Ferengi, are not only essentially thieves, but ultimately only accept payment in precious commodities. In the bold new future of cosmic civilization, galactic trade is carried on in little better than a Phoenician style of barter, despite the possibilities of pan-galactic banking and super-light speed money transfers made possible by "sub-space" communications.



Too much of Star Trek has always reflected trendy leftist political sentiments. It was appropriate that John Lennon's "Imagine" should have been sung at the 30th Anniversary television special: Capitalism and religion get little more respect from Star Trek than they do from Lennon. Profit simply cannot be mentioned without a sneer. The champions of profit, the Ferengi, not only perceive no difference between honest business, piracy, and swindle, but their very name, the Hindi word for "European,"
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Frank"), seems to be a covert rebuke to Western civilization. At the same time, one can find little in the way of acknowledgement of the role of religion in life that, whether in India or in Europe, would be essential.


Although exotic extraterrestrials, like the Klingons and Bajorans, have quaint religious beliefs and practices, absolutely nothing seems to be left of the historic religions of Earth: There are no Jews, no Christians, no Moslems, no Buddhists, no Hindus, no Jains, no Confucians, and no Sikhs, or anything else, on any starship or settlement in the Federation. Star Trek is, not to put too fine a point on it, what the Nazis called "Judenfrei," free of Jews [note], a condition that Marx also anticipated with the death of Capitalism -- though Leonard Nimoy did introduce, subversively, the hand sign of the Hebrew letter "shin" to signify the Trek benediction, "Live long and prosper." With no practitioners, there are no chaplains for the crew -- no ministers, no priests, no rabbis, no mullas, no brahmins, no monks, no nuns.

The closest thing to religious advice is the tedious psycho-babble of counselor Troi. The absence of traditional human religions stands in stark contrast to the more recent, shortlived science ficiton series, Firefly (which, however, doesn't seem to have any Jews either).

Why there is this conspicuous absence of religion is made plain in a third season Star Trek: The Next Generation episode called "Who Watches the Watchers?"

It concerns a planet of people who are still at only a pre-industrial level of development but who are related to the Vulcans and, presumably because of this, are so intellectually advanced that they long ago ceased to believe in anything so absurd as a God (so some races are just smarter than others?(!?) -- sounds like some kind of racism). Because a Federation observing post and its advanced technology is inadvertently revealed, one of the natives mistakenly takes Captain Picard to himself be the God of ancient belief. He spreads the word among his people. The rest of the episode is then taken up with how this folly can be undone without otherwise distorting the natural development of the natives. In the end, they realize that Picard is not God, and they continue on their previous path of atheistic wisdom.

Such a story is so blatantly hostile to theistic religion, that it is astonishing that it provoked neither comment nor protest. Perhaps the messages contained in science fiction television are simply not noticed.

Movies have a somewhat higher profile and, indeed, the futile quest for God in the fifth Star Trek movie, The Final Frontier, provoked the comment from Michael Medved, a political conservative and devout Jew, that it was the same old "secular humanism." Even the aforementioned religious beliefs and practices of the Klingons and Bajorans seem to consist of little more than ritual and mythology, and one is left with the impression that respect for such things is motivated more by cultural relativism than by a sense that they might contain religious truths of interest to others. The Star Trek universe is one without religious truths -- where the occasional disembodied spirit can be explained away with talk about "energy" or "subspace."

If daily life is not concerned with familiar economic activities and the whole of life is not informed with religious purposes, then what is life all about in Star Trek? Well, the story is about a military establishment, Star Fleet, and one ship in particular in the fleet, the Enterprise. One might not expect this to provide much of a picture of ordinary civilian life; and it doesn't.

One never sees much on Earth apart from the Star Fleet Academy and Picard's family farm in France -- unless of course we include Earth's past, where the Enterprise spends much more time than on the contemporaneous Earth. Since economic life as we know it is presumed not to exist in the future, it would certainly pose a challenge to try and represent how life is conducted and how, for instance, artifacts like the Enterprise get ordered, financed, and constructed. And if it is to be represented that things like "finance" don't exist, one wonders if any of the Trek writers or producers know little details about Earth history like when Lenin wanted to get along without money and accounting and discovered that Russia's economy was collapsing on him. Marx's prescription for an economy without the cash nexus was quickly abandoned and never revived.

Nevertheless, Marx's dream and Lenin's disastrous experiment is presented as the noble and glorious future in Star Trek: First Contact, where Jean Luc Picard actually says, "Money doesn't exist in the Twenty-Fourth Century."

So what one is left with in Star Trek is military life. Trying to soften this by including families and recreation on the Enterprise in fact makes the impression worse, since to the extent that such a life is ordinary and permanent for its members, it is all the easier to imagine that all life in the Federation is of this sort. Not just a military, but a militarism. In the show, this actually didn't work out very well. In the beginning, Star Trek: The Next Generation wanted to remind us of the daily life, children in school, etc. on board; and more than once the "battle hull" of the ship was separated from the "saucer" so that the civilian component of the crew would be safe from hostile action.

This cumbersome expedient, however, was soon enough forgotten; and we later forget, as the Enterprise finds itself in desperate exchanges with hostile forces, that small children are undergoing the same battle damage that we see inflicted on the bridge -- unless of course it is brought to our attention because there is a story with a special focus on a child, as with Lieutenant Worf's son. In Star Trek: First Contact, crew members are being captured and turned into Borg. Does that include the children? We never see any. Do Picard's orders to shoot any Borg include Borg who were human children? This disturbing situation is completely ignored by the movie. Star Trek, therefore, cannot maintain its fiction that military life on a major warship will be friendly to families and children.

In the 20th Century there has been a conspicuous political ideology that combines militarism, the subordination of private economic activity to collective social purposes, and often the disparagement of traditional religious beliefs and scruples: Fascism, and not the conservative Fascism of Mussolini and Franco, who made their peace with the Church and drew some limits about some things (Franco even helped Jews escape from occupied France), but the unlimited "revolutionary," Nihilistic Fascism of Hitler, which recoiled from no crime and recognized no demands of conscience or God above the gods of the Führer and the Volk.

Certainly the participants in all the forms of Star Trek, writers, staff, producers, actors, fans, etc., would be horrified, insulted, and outraged to be associated with a murderous and discredited ideology like Fascism; but I have already noted in these pages how naive philosophers and critics have thoughtlessly adopted the philosophical foundations of Fascism from people like Friedrich Nietzsche and Martin Heidegger to what they think are "progressive" causes in the present day.

 
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Reminds me of the Ori from SG1.
What Stargate did with the Ori was radical. It was one thing to discuss Egyptian gods/goddesses from the perspective that alien creatures with advanced technology were the ones that people based them on...and that those aliens were eventually shown to be frauds. However, the Ori were shown to have actual power and the ways they were portayed to be Omipotent and yet corrupt...I was like "Are you for real?"


I was always a bit disturbed seeing how the Ori, once they became aware of the existence of humanity in the Milky Way, were eager to share Origin with these humans and offer the Path to Enlightenment, with the condition that they be worshipped as gods and humanity's creators. ...and yet if they were rejected, the Ori were prepared to destroy the very lives that they claimed they wished to advance. It seemed very much akin to a Protection Racket....and it was even more troublesome to see how the Ori made an Incarnation in the form of a female to preach their "gospel" ( Adria, Orici of the Ori )....very disturbing.
 
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That Who Watches the Watchers episode of TNG that Easy G posted was a prime example of Trek gone off the rails into relativistic secular science "religion" that drives me crazy. Anyone religious is always a dreamer, a kook, not spiritually advanced enough...like Sybok, Spock's brother....

And yet Roddenberry had this obsession with the Garden of Eden. Goodness he brought that up a lot...all the way to Star Trek VI in Spock's chambers right before Roddenberry died....(incidentally, I had the pleasure of seeing Roddenberry in person about 8 months before he passed, at a convention)...

I remember on that episode "the Empath," Dr. Ozaba says, "In His hands are the deep places of the Earth. Psalm 95, verse 4." Dr. Linke: "Looks like He was listening"

Scotty had issues with Apollo in Who Mourns For Adonais? Kirk says to Apollo: "Man has no need for gods. We find the one quite sufficient.".

M5 computer on The Ultimate Computer says "Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God"

But then again, we see people with Hindu bindis, mention of other religions right and left, watered down "maybe God's right here, in the human heart" Kirk statements, the Who Watches the Watchers stuff was really really atheistic, and in the end, I agree with Rus that the IDIC stuff is the real core, which is secular humanist fodder.

There are way more episodes disproving religion as a hoax (like with Ardra on "Devil's Due" episode of TNG) or Watchers, or the constant silly Riker statements about humanity "we're growing" to Q. It's an almost Glenn Larson Battlestar Galactica Mormon thing going on where humans evolve into Gods. Q really represents that. He fears our "potential" :p
 
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Reminds me of the Ori from SG1.

Yes. I like Stargate but some of their theological and philosophical concepts are rather off. I think in part this can be writers being 'creative' and coming up with story concepts that will be attractive to today's society and not some global conspiracy. Having said this though, the devil can use all sorts of things to manipulate to his desire. Still, my focus is on God, His plan and character, etc. Just my 2 cents. ...aside: I need to be careful not to be 'debating' so ... I hope I've not stepped on any toes. :p
 
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Are you referring to Who Watches the Watchers? That was a very cynical TNG episode. The episode where Riker falls for that androgynous alien and the whole theme was pro-LGBT, that bugged me

In general, no, I'm not referring to any one episode but to the whole spirit.
Again, in the 1960's, Roddenberry had to pander to the large majority of viewers that would not have brooked open denial of God; by the '80's he didn't have to. The scattered references to God are NOT the spirit of Star Trek; the insistence that we are to be our own gods IS.

Oh, and it got too weird and pluralist, so I stopped following ST after TNG. I don't know and don't really want to know DS9 or Voyager or whatever hookey stuff they dreamed up after that.
 
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I agree completely. The Christian references were, in the end, just pandering. I read one time where Roddenberry said
"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."
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I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."

Pretty conclusive stuff. Sad.

I wouldn't say atheism was the central theme of Star Trek, but humanism was for sure...this idea that humans are evolving, on this road to greatness. The Star Trek universe in some ways insulted me even though I adored the characters and adventures and classic stories. The universe of Trek is one in which humans don't war, don't hate, everyone loves each other like brothers, THERE'S NO MONEY (yeah, right! I used to wonder, if we're all just getting up and going to work to improve ourselves and the human condition, then why would a sewage treatment plant worker or a custodian or a clerk or trash man go to work? lol), the human race is so united that there aren't even countries anymore LOL :p^_^

And that theme that humanity is on a collision course with becoming like Q someday, a perfect entity...sigh

I try to focus on the noble themes of Star Trek: hating racism, wanting equality, not meddling in the affairs of others and inflicting our values on others politically (although Kirk sure bombed at that! :D), stewardship over the environment, being true to oneself, adventurism and curiosity, friendship (especially spock, kirk, bones)...and coping with loss. There's a lot of amazing stuff on Trek. I like the parallels to foreign affairs in real life, meddling, appealing to history with speculation and fun.

It was a great show and yes, it's tarnished like you said, when we realize some of Roddenberry's ambitions for the show (he openly said once that he wanted a gay character, sigh) were quite un-Christian, but I hold a place in my heart for the noble aspects of it. Just like Dune. People try to focus on the negatives, but the overall theme of it wasn't atheism or pure cynicism at all. Most who say that haven't really read the books or gotten into it.

As I grew older, I came to see a lot of people I grew up with and idolized are tarnished and disappointing....whether it is Thomas Jefferson, who Republicans think was a harcore Christian but was really a Deist and cynic who chided Christians for believing in Christ's miracles, or Mark Twain, the beloved satirist and writer whom I adored, or HG Wells and his evolutionary, cynical view of man and Christ (the prompting for Everlasting Man), guys like Roddenberry, or womanizing adulterers like Kennedy who pandered to religion but never lived it. There's a lot out there to be disappointed about, for sure.....So I guess I just try to accentuate the positives about these men and focus on what I can glean, cast out the refuse....

In general, no, I'm not referring to any one episode but to the whole spirit.
Again, in the 1960's, Roddenberry had to pander to the large majority of viewers that would not have brooked open denial of God; by the '80's he didn't have to. The scattered references to God are NOT the spirit of Star Trek; the insistence that we are to be our own gods IS.

Oh, and it got too weird and pluralist, so I stopped following ST after TNG. I don't know and don't really want to know DS9 or Voyager or whatever hookey stuff they dreamed up after that.
 
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I wouldn't say atheism was the central theme of Star Trek, but humanism was for sure...this idea that humans are evolving, on this road to greatness. The Star Trek universe in some ways insulted me even though I adored the characters and adventures and classic stories. The universe of Trek is one in which humans don't war, don't hate, everyone loves each other like brothers, THERE'S NO MONEY (yeah, right! I used to wonder, if we're all just getting up and going to work to improve ourselves and the human condition, then why would a sewage treatment plant worker or a custodian or a clerk or trash man go to work? lol), the human race is so united that there aren't even countries anymore LOL :p^_^
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From what I saw in the series, there were A LOT of moments that humans waged war with one another..and in examples of where things still seemed dark, I'm reminded of the infamous Khan:

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The writers of Startrek often seemed to go out of their way in condemining things like human genetic engineering in the name of advancement. It was always cool to see the ways that he served well as a warning of the danger in attempting to create "supermen" through technological means. Khan and his augment brethren were considered so dangerous that by the late-24th century, genetic engineering was banned throughout the United Federation of Planets (except as treatment for serious medical conditions) in order to avoid creating another tyrant like Khan...although there was a black market in the genetic manipulation of children with limited abilities, resulting in the enhancement of Humans like Dr. Julian Bashir.

Khan was truly epic....

As it concerns the ways humans don't war or show aggression, DS9 flipped all of that onto its head with things like Section 31, officially-nonexistent clandestine organization within Starfleet Intelligence that claimed to protect the security interests of United Earth and later the United Federation of Planets..and yet did everything the Federation claimed to be against (i.e. assassinations, genocide, etc) if it meant protecting the Federation....and the Federation looked the other way.

 
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