E=mc2 with Zig Ziglar

[mzungu]

12.25 2060, Isaac Newton, and the Seven Churches - YouTube

Yes dear!

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If E = mc2 then m = E/c2... Therefore we can find that mass came together with Energy and light... Otherwise Einstiens theory is in error.

Actually, it's your interpretation of the theory that is in error. For instance, E = mc[sup]2[/sup] doesn't imply that "mass came together with energy and light" - rather, it implies that a mass and energy are interchangeable quantities, with the square of the speed limit of the universe being the constant of proportionality. That's it.

My timeline for the creation...

1. Eternity - First we have eternity... Which we humans cannot understand.

Sure we can understand it. We can't fit it into our heads, but we can understand it. It's like a terrasect: we can't conceive a terrasect, but we can fully understand it.

2. Three groups of Angels led by three arch angels
--- Michael - Strong Angels
--- Gabriel - Wise Angels
--- Lucifer - Worshiping Angels

Do you have any evidence for the existence of these angels?

3. A rebellion in which Lucifer takes a third of the angels with him. - Revelation 12: 3, 4

Do you have any evidence for this event, outside of what the Bible asserts?

4. A universe is created...
---The big bang - Gen 1:3
---The universe scatters - Gen 1:4

Do you have any evidence that the events described in Genesis 1:3-4 are at all related to the Big Bang theory? It sounds to me like you're taking two superficially similar concepts and declaring them absolutely equivalent - what evidence do you have that they are, in fact, the same thing?

---I believe that billions of years passed until God called the light day and the darkness light.
---Five additional days of creation - In which we now have Adam.

You can certainly believe what you wish, but unless you present evidence for your claims, I'm quite sceptical.

It is of my beliefs that this universe was created in response to the fall of Lucifer. I believe that Lucifer and his angels grew accustomed to the Fathers light and energies and then began to hate it. When they fell I believe that they were stripped of their remaining light and energy in which they have substituted the true light and energy for the light called ego and arrogance.

They substituted light and energy for... ego and arrogance? The first two are physical objects, the latter two are abstract emotions; how do you substitute one for the other?

So the bible says that God is 'The Father of Lights.' I am a Lab Technician in a large factory and operate OES, AA, and ICP spectrometers. I find that when you excite an atom he will give off a unique wavelength of light. The same light that when into his creation. Because all elements give off a unique wavelength of light I believe that God the Father used different wavelengths of light and energy when he created the universe.

First, a technical point (as a laboratory tecnician, I'm sure you'll appreciate the correction): elements do not give off unique wavelengths of light. Rather, each isotope of each element has a unique pair of emission and absorption spectra; [sup]14[/sup]C has a different emission spectrum than [sup]12[/sup]C, even though the two are the same element.

Second, the conclusion in the latter part of your paragraph seems to be a non sequitur. If we accept that all elements 'give off' a unique wavelength (something that's broadly right), how does that then lead to the conclusion that "God the Father used different wavelengths of light and energy when he created the universe"? How does that conclusion follow from the premise? Scintillation is all well and good, but how did you draw cosmogonical conclusions from that?

As God is light, so his persona can be best beheld by gazing at the sun.

First, in what way is God light? Is he an individual photon? If so, what's his wavelength? If not, then how can he be described as being 'light' in anything but an allegorical sense (e.g., "He showed me the light")?

As I have stated in Plato's quotations in the video. And referencing Plato's work 'The Good' (God the Father) had three children...

Spiritual E/c2 (virtue)
Material E/c2 (mass)
Mental E/c2 (Intelligence)

In which God's preferences are in the spiritual E/c2.

Those equations are meaningless. You have taken a valid equation (E = mc[sup]2[/sup]) and then tacked on the words 'spiritual' and 'virtue' - what justification do you have for presuming that such equations are true, let alone that they make any sense? In what units does one measure 'virtue'? Is this 'spiritual' quantity measured in joules?

 

[rockytopva]

Those equations are meaningless. You have taken a valid equation (E = mc[sup]2[/sup]) and then tacked on the words 'spiritual' and 'virtue' - what justification do you have for presuming that such equations are true, let alone that they make any sense? In what units does one measure 'virtue'? Is this 'spiritual' quantity measured in joules?

Oh... You can measure virtue all right. Be around a jerk and you will find little virtue. Be around the antonym of a jerk and you will find much. So it can be measured.

Jerk - Produces much spiritual z/d
antonym of a jerk - Produces much spiritual E/c2.

The Power of Motivation and E/c2 with Zig Ziglar - YouTube

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Oh... You can measure virtue all right. Be around a jerk and you will find little virtue. Be around the antonym of a jerk and you will find much. So it can be measured.

I disagree. You're taking once sense of the word 'to have' ("He has virtue") and equating it to another sense of the word ("The photon has a wavelength of 450 nm"). This is a logical fallacy. While it may be a common turn of phrase in English to say someone 'has virtue' or 'has intelligence', that doesn't mean those things are actual, physical objects. They are emergent phenomena, complex abstractions given a convenient name.

You can measure the energy of a photon to arbitrary accuracy, but you cannot measure the evil of Hitler, or the virtue of a charitable act, or the orangeness of an orange, or the worthwhile-ness of playing a game of Monopoly, or the deliciousness of a packet of crisps. These things (evil, virtue, orange-ness, worthwhile-ness, deliciousness, etc)are not quantifiable things, as they are not things at all - they are abstract labels we humans stick onto certain objects that we deem 'have' those qualitites. But, ultimately, those qualities are not real, in the same sense that the energy of a photon is real.

Thus, it is incorrect to say that a person 'has' virtue in the same sense as a photon 'has' energy.

Jerk - Produces much spiritual z/d
antonym of a jerk - Produces much spiritual E/c2.

First, what is 'z/d'?

Second, how does a jerk 'produce' this 'spiritual z/d'? Is it oozed out? Can you collect it in a test-tube? Have you performed experiments and quantitively measured the 'virtue' of a sample of the population? What are your units for measuring 'virtue'?

Third, why have you equated virtue with this 'spiritual mass'? Einstein's Theory of Relativity gives very good mathematical reasons for intertwining mass and energy - that is, real mass and real energy - but where are yours for saying that a) 'virtue' and 'spiritual' are hard, measurable quantities akin to energy and mass, and that b) 'virtue' and 'spiritual' are related in the same way as mass and energy, vis-a-vis, E = mc[sup]2[/sup]?

 

[rockytopva]

If mass = energy / light2 then the opposite must be true...

Nothing = Absolute zero / darkness

There is a spiritual energy (warmth, love, motivation) and light (faith, hope, charity)

There is a spiritual absolute zero (cold, hate, apathy) and darkness (fear, depression, greed)

When I get to heaven I will be clothed in garments of light and energy.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If mass = energy / light2 then the opposite must be true...

Correction: m = E/c[sup]2[/sup]. Not light, but the speed of light. More accurately, c is the maximum speed anything in the universe can travel - and it just so happens that light is the most readily observed thing in the universe that travels at this speed, hence why it's called the speed of light. It may very well not have anything to do with light at all, and that light simply travels as fast as it can. Thus, all that follows is based on supposition.

Nothing = Absolute zero / darkness

I disagree: First, darkness is a place without light, while nothingness is not a place at all. Second, 'absolute zero' is a very precise physical term; are you using its thermodynamic meaning of 'no heat', or are you using it to mean 'there is nothing, absolutely nothing, zero, zilch'? Third, in what sense are you using the forward slash? Are you saying that nothingness is somehow mathematically equal to the concept of absolute zero divided by darkness? Is this why you used the term 'z/d' in your previous post?

It would help if you clarified what it is you're saying, and the terms you're using.

There is a spiritual energy (warmth, love, motivation) and light (faith, hope, charity)

There is a spiritual absolute zero (cold, hate, apathy) and darkness (fear, depression, greed)

Please define what 'spiritual energy', 'spiritual light', 'spiritual absolute zero', and 'spiritual darkness' are; are they analogues to the normal, physical concepts? Are they themselves real, physical quantities? Or are they English words for abstract emotions and concepts?

You said before that these things can be quantitatively measured; can you elaborate on that? What are your units of measurement?

When I get to heaven I will be clothed in garments of light and energy.

Real light and energy, or spiritual light and energy? How are you certain this is the case? Per my recollection, only God can allow people into Heaven, and it is a sin to cast aspersions otherwise (though this is rather off-topic).

 

[rockytopva]

I was basically brought up as a lost teenager...

And then I spent a summer here with my Grandmother in Virginia. Her neighbors were farmers so I fell in with them. As I would dwell with the people they would invite me to the Pentecostal Holiness church. As the summer came to the end I was at the alter after each service falling in with the people. At one particular revival one of the saints of the church came behind me praying for me. As he was praying warm tears were falling from his cheeks and hitting my shoulder. As a guy who didn't like to be touched this was profound. That evening I can only express the sensation using a few lines from John Bunyans Pilgrims Progress..

Now I saw in my dream, that the highway up which Christian was to go, was fenced on either side with a wall, and that wall was called Salvation. Isaiah 26:10. Up this way, therefore, did burdened Christian run, but not without great difficulty, because of the load on his back.

He ran thus till he came at a place somewhat ascending; and upon that place stood a cross, and a little below, in the bottom, a sepulchre. So I saw in my dream, that just as Christian came up with the cross, his burden loosed from off his shoulders, and fell from off his back, and began to tumble, and so continued to do till it came to the mouth of the sepulchre, where it fell in, and I saw it no more.

Then was Christian glad and lightsome, and said with a merry heart, “He hath given me rest by his sorrow, and life by his death.” Then he stood still a while, to look and wonder; for it was very surprising to him that the sight of the cross should thus ease him of his burden. He looked, therefore, and looked again, even till the springs that were in his head sent the waters down his cheeks. Zech 12:10. Now as he stood looking and weeping, behold, three Shining Ones came to him, and saluted him with, “Peace be to thee.” So the first said to him, “Thy sins be forgiven thee,” Mark 2:5; the second stripped him of his rags, and clothed him with change of raiment, Zech 3:4: the third also set a mark on his forehead, Eph 1:13, and gave him a roll with a seal upon it, which he bid him look on as he ran, and that he should give it in at the celestial gate: so they went their way. Then Christian gave three leaps for joy, and went on singing,

After that experience I lay down on my Grandmothers bed. My Grandmother was a very clean and decent woman and I could smell my clothesline fresh surroundings as well as hear the kady dids singing (this night it was as if they were praising the Lord) in the back drop with fire flies coming up our hill. Then for the first time in my life the Holy Spirit began to talk. When I went back to school that year people would want to sit next to me in church so 'a little of that' would rub off on them. I wish I could say that I kept that spiritual experience alive in my own personal life, but as Pentecostals are in and out of revival, have had my challenges.


But this one thing I do know... That God is the source of the E/c2... Mentally, spiritually, and materially. I know when I am clothed with the E/c2 that the memories of this earth will automatically dissipate. There will be no more need to mind what happened on that planet.

 

[rockytopva]

I must agree that the Zig Ziglar and the devotion don't go well together. I have wondered about putting some music to it but it's awfully long. Joel Osteen seems to work better...

The Power of I Am and E/c2 - Joel Osteen - YouTube

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I was basically brought up as a lost teenager...

And then I spent a summer here with my Grandmother in Virginia. Her neighbors were farmers so I fell in with them. As I would dwell with the people they would invite me to the Pentecostal Holiness church. As the summer came to the end I was at the alter after each service falling in with the people. At one particular revival one of the saints of the church came behind me praying for me. As he was praying warm tears were falling from his cheeks and hitting my shoulder. As a guy who didn't like to be touched this was profound. That evening I can only express the sensation using a few lines from John Bunyans Pilgrims Progress..

After that experience I lay down on my Grandmothers bed. My Grandmother was a very clean and decent woman and I could smell my clothesline fresh surroundings as well as hear the kady dids singing (this night it was as if they were praising the Lord) in the back drop with fire flies coming up our hill. Then for the first time in my life the Holy Spirit began to talk. When I went back to school that year people would want to sit next to me in church so 'a little of that' would rub off on them. I wish I could say that I kept that spiritual experience alive in my own personal life, but as Pentecostals are in and out of revival, have had my challenges.

Undoubtedly, but what's your point? Your story, heart-warming though it is, doesn't prove anything more than the fact that you had a profound experience.

But this one thing I do know... That God is the source of the E/c2... Mentally, spiritually, and materially. I know when I am clothed with the E/c2 that the memories of this earth will automatically dissipate. There will be no more need to mind what happened on that planet.

Perhaps that is why you consistently avoid my questions.

 

[Cabal]

Ooh, mass-energy equivalence woo.

Makes a change from quantum woo anyway.

 

[rockytopva]

The reason why all humanity missed the calling is because they did not feel the creators spiritual E/c2! - Rockytopva

"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him (his marvelous spiritual E/c2), and find him, though he be not far from every one of us"-Acts 17:26-27

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The reason why all humanity missed the calling is because they did not feel the creators spiritual E/c2! - Rockytopva

"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him (his marvelous spiritual E/c2), and find him, though he be not far from every one of us"-Acts 17:26-27

You have yet to demonstrate that there is any such thing as 'spiritual E/c2'.

 

[Cabal]

You have yet to demonstrate that there is any such thing as 'spiritual E/c2'.

Or what it has to do with those verses!

 

[rockytopva]

Three children of 'The Good'

1. Mass - E/c2 in its cooled state
2. Spirituality - Spiritual E/c2
3. Mentality - Intelligence

I could be here until the end of the world trying to convince you guys of these things. If God the Father does not reveal himself unto you on a spiritual basis you will not believe. Notice I said believe. which is a wavelength of spiritual E/c2.

Furthermore, there are seven churches, in which two of them were English.

1. Ephesus - Apostolic
2. Smyrna - Martyrs
3. Pergamos - Orthodox
4. Thyatira - Catholic
5. Sardis - Protestant - Began with John Wycliffe
6. Philadelphia - Methodist / Pentecostal - Began with John Wesley
7. Laodicean - Materialistic / Charismatic - Basically the American church.

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. - Matthew 24:17
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; - 2 Thess 4:3

So the old candlesticks are dimming away in which the Spiritual E/c2 goes with it. Without Spiritual E/c2 I am helpless to be of assistance to you.

12.25 2060, Isaac Newton, and the Seven Churches - YouTube

 

[Cabal]

Wavelength is not mass.

Please, just don't insert random scientific terminology into religious discussion. It has no place there.

Besides, theology has its own jargon already.

 

[rockytopva]

Mass is made up of wavelength. I am Lab Technician in a large factory. I run ICP, AA, and OES spectrometers and can tell you when you excite an atom he will give off a unique wavelength of light... The same light that went into his creation.

 

[Cabal]

Mass is made up of wavelength. I am Lab Technician in a large factory. I run ICP, AA, and OES spectrometers and can tell you when you excite an atom he will give off a unique wavelength of light... The same light that went into his creation.

That doesn't mean mass is "made up of" wavelength.

 

[rockytopva]

That doesn't mean mass is "made up of" wavelength.

If E = mc2 then... m = E/c2


It's all light and energy... That's it! Otherwise the theory is in error.

 

[Cabal]

If E = mc2 then... m = E/c2

It's all light and energy... That's it! Otherwise the theory is in error.

Light is not wavelength. It has wavelength, sure.

 

[rockytopva]

Split the atom and what do you get? Light and energy! The same E/c2 that went into its creation!