E=mc2 with Zig Ziglar

[Cabal]

Split the atom and what do you get? Light and energy!

Yes.

The same E/c2 that went into its creation!

No.

And mass =/= wavelength. Units don't match, totally different concept. Even if you converted all the mass into energy it still tells you nothing about the momentum distribution that would determine the wavelength of what you see.

 

[rockytopva]

And mass =/= wavelength. Units don't match, totally different concept. Even if you converted all the mass into energy it still tells you nothing about the momentum distribution that would determine the wavelength of what you see.

I never said mass =/= wavelength....

 

[Cabal]

I never said mass =/= wavelength....

=/= is "does not equal."

 

[rockytopva]

=/= is "does not equal."

m= E / c2

Light has wavelengths.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Mass is made up of wavelength.

No, it's not. Mass can be converted into a quantity of energy equal to mc[sup]2[/sup], and that energy may well be in the form of photons, which would have a given wavelength - but it is fallacious to say that mass is made up of wavelength.

I am Lab Technician in a large factory. I run ICP, AA, and OES spectrometers and can tell you when you excite an atom he will give off a unique wavelength of light... The same light that went into his creation.

Sorry, that's wrong on both counts.

First, scintillation is a well-known phenomenon whereby the energy E that goes into exciting an electron of an atom is released as a photon of energy E when that electron de-excites back to a lower energy level. This energy comes from whatever means were used to excite it in the first place - it does not come from "the same light that went into [its] creation". That is incorrect.

Second, while there are cases where some or all of an object's mass can be converted into photons, such as a matter-antimatter collision, such cases are special cases indeed, and have nothing to do with spectrometry or atomic excitation.

If E = mc2 then... m = E/c2

A trivial deduction and one that's not what we disagree with.

It's all light and energy... That's it! Otherwise the theory is in error.

Again, no, it's your understanding of the theory that is in error. You are drawing erroneous conclusions from the theory.

m= E / c2

Light has wavelengths.

Again, something so trivial that I'm amazed you feel the need to state it. The question, however, is why you assert that "mass is made of wavelength". It isn't. Mass is mass, and can be converted into energy, which can be possessed by photons, giving them a wavelength. This is not the same as saying mass somehow 'is 'wavelength'.

 

[rockytopva]

The spiritual E/c2 is not knowledge therefore it cannot be taught.
The spiritual E/c2 is not mass therefore it cannot be beheld.

But the spiritual E/c2 is what is needed to advance Christianity.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The spiritual E/c2 is not knowledge therefore it cannot be taught.
The spiritual E/c2 is not mass therefore it cannot be beheld.

But the spiritual E/c2 is what is needed to advance Christianity.

But what is it? You can't just slap the term 'spiritual' onto something and expect it to be a legitimate concept. What, exactly, is 'spiritual E/c2', and how does it relate to the theory of relativity? Do you have any evidence that this 'spiritual E/c2' actually exists?

 

[rockytopva]

But what is it? You can't just slap the term 'spiritual' onto something and expect it to be a legitimate concept. What, exactly, is 'spiritual E/c2', and how does it relate to the theory of relativity? Do you have any evidence that this 'spiritual E/c2' actually exists?

Spiritual Energy (E) - Warmth. motivation, love
Spiritual Light (c) - Faith, hope, charity, joy

And the opposites (the opposite of mass is nothing... Space)

Spiritual Absolute Zero (z) - Cold, apathy, hate
Spiritual Darkness (d) - Fear, depression, hatred, sorrow

These studies go back to the Iching (The Yin [z/d], The Yang [E/c2]), a work so old that it was created before literature, therefore cut in stone. Again, by itself Spiritual E/c2 is neither mass nor knowledge.

 

[rockytopva]

The spiritual E/c2 is something that can be felt.

 

[rockytopva]

My Lord Jesus Christ was crucified in the place of z/d.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Spiritual Energy (E) - Warmth. motivation, love
Spiritual Light (c) - Faith, hope, charity, joy

And the opposites (the opposite of mass is nothing... Space)

Spiritual Absolute Zero (z) - Cold, apathy, hate
Spiritual Darkness (d) - Fear, depression, hatred, sorrow

These studies go back to the Iching (The Yin [z/d], The Yang [E/c2]), a work so old that it was created before literature, therefore cut in stone. Again, by itself Spiritual E/c2 is neither mass nor knowledge.

First, in what way are warmth, motivation, and love tantamount to 'spiritual energy'? If you are trying to relate this to Einstein's theory, then you're going to have to explain how these things are quantifiable.

Second, in what way are faith, hope, charity, and joy, tantamount to 'spiritual light'? If you're relating this to Einstein's theory, why have you given it the mathematical term 'c'? c doesn't refer to light, it refers to the speed of light. Are you saying that this 'spiritual light' is a physical object that travels at c?

Third, I've asked you before to clarify on your use of the terms 'z' and 'd' - what, exactly, do they represent? When you refer to 'z/d', what, exactly, are you referring to? A division of z over d? If so, how does that work, when you define 'z' to be this 'spiritual absolute zero' - what quantity, exactly, is the nominator in that division?

As a technical point, the I Ching originates from work etched in bone, not stone, and is no more factual or reliable than any other superstitious work of early humans. But please, prove to me that the yin and yang are, in fact, this 'z/d' and 'E/c2' quantities.

 

[rockytopva]

Everything changes as the E/c2 and the z/d interact with each other.

[FONT=&quot]“There was something created before heaven and earth which we call the way (Tao). The way is infinitely high, unfathomably deep. Enclosing heaven and earth, receiving from the formless, it produces a stream running deep and wide without overflowing. It absorbs the negative and emits the positive. In antiquity, the three majestic ones (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) attained the order of the way and stood in the center, their spirits roamed with creation.” - Lao-Tzu

“The way of heaven is to revert after reaching a climax, and to diminish upon reaching fullness." -Lao-Tzu

"The way effects the movement of the heavens and the stability of the earth, turning endlessly like a wheel, flowing ceaselessly like water." - Lao-Tzu

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“All life embodies yin (z/d), and embraces yang (E/c2).” -Lao Tzu​

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Everything changes as the E/c2 and the z/d interact with each other.

[FONT=&quot]“There was something created before heaven and earth which we call the way (Tao). The way is infinitely high, unfathomably deep. Enclosing heaven and earth, receiving from the formless, it produces a stream running deep and wide without overflowing. It absorbs the negative and emits the positive. In antiquity, the three majestic ones (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) attained the order of the way and stood in the center, their spirits roamed with creation.” - Lao-Tzu

“The way of heaven is to revert after reaching a climax, and to diminish upon reaching fullness." -Lao-Tzu

"The way effects the movement of the heavens and the stability of the earth, turning endlessly like a wheel, flowing ceaselessly like water." - Lao-Tzu

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“All life embodies yin (z/d), and embraces yang (E/c2).” -Lao Tzu​

First, you have not demonstrated that I Ching is anything more than ancient Chinese superstition - why are you even bringing it up?

Second, you have not demonstrated that either yin or yang are related to these 'z/d' and 'E/c2' quantities you keep mentioning.

Third, what is 'z/d'? You've said that 'z' is 'spiritual absolute zero' and 'd' is 'spiritual darkness', and associated them with a number of abstract concepts (associations you've yet to demonstrate, by the way), but what on Earth is 'z/d'?

Rockytopva, start from the very beginning. Clearly and unambiguously define your terms, and demonstrate - don't just assert, actually demonstrate - your claims.

 

[rockytopva]

Is light and energy knowledge? Can it be taught?

Plato's Meno is a dialogue in which Socrates and Meno, discuss human virtue: whether or not it can be taught, whether it is shared by all human beings, and whether it is one quality or many. After discussion with Anytus, Socrates and Meno return to the subject of whether Virtue can be taught. "To sum up our inquiry," Socrates concludes, "the result seems to be that virtue is neither natural nor acquired, but an instinct given by God to the virtuous."

Meno's theme is also being dealt in the dialogue of Protagoras, where, Plato finally puts Socrates to conclude with the opposite
conclusion 'That virtue can be taught.' It is important to conclude that light and energy are in different departments then knowledge. One may have an understanding as vast as the great outdoors… And not a thing in the heart!

"[The sun] is he whom I call the child of the good, whom the good begat in his own likeness, to be in the visible world, in relation to sight and the things of sight, what the good is in the intellectual world in relation to mind and the things of mind:" - Plato's Republic

According to Plato's epistemology God created the sun in his own likeness. So the sun is the best image we have of God the Father and the power of creation here on Earth.

 

[rockytopva]

Rockytopva, start from the very beginning. Clearly and unambiguously define your terms, and demonstrate - don't just assert, actually demonstrate - your claims.

That pentagram you so proudly display depicts satan himself.

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of E/c2! - 2 Cor 11:14


The light Satan musters up is in the form of arrogance and his energies are cold. The reason why satan cannot create anything is because he was stripped of his E/c2 when he fell.

I will stick with the true E/c2... God the Father through Jesus Christ is son.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

That pentagram you so proudly display depicts satan himself.

You're thinking of the downward-pointing pentagram. The upward-pointing pentagram is a symbol of nature, of the Earth, and of the feminine pagan deity. It does not represent Satan, and certainly doesn't depict him. If you think otherwise, please, prove it.

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of E/c2! - 2 Cor 11:14

The light Satan musters up is in the form of arrogance and his energies are cold. The reason why satan cannot create anything is because he was stripped of his E/c2 when he fell.

I will stick with the true E/c2... God the Father through Jesus Christ is son.

You seem to be conflating the word 'light' with the mathematical term 'Ec[sup]-2[/sup]' - why? 'Light' means all manner of things in English, while 'Ec[sup]-2[/sup]' means something quite specific indeed (namely, the mass of an object at rest expressed in terms of energy).

 

[rockytopva]

Believe what you please... There will be events in your life that will chill you to your bone... Just remember the source was not from the true source of E/c2.

 

[Cabal]

Believe what you please... There will be events in your life that will chill you to your bone... Just remember the source was not from the true source of E/c2.

Pentagram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you're going to poke at someone's choice of symbology, at least pick one that Christianity hasn't used for a large chunk of its history.

If you're done criticising people's avatar now, there are terms you need to define clearly.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Believe what you please... There will be events in your life that will chill you to your bone... Just remember the source was not from the true source of E/c2.

I have asked you many times to clearly define your terms, yet you insist on incorrectly using scientific and mathematical terminology. You conflate a thousand different things to build a shaky trail to your bemusing conclusion, and you seem to have completely replaced the word 'light' in your vocabulary with the term 'E/c2'.

When called out on these glaring errors and inconsistencies, you resort to childish slander, insinuating that I'm a Satanist of all things.

So, somehow, I'm not too worried by your threats.

 

[mzungu]

Mass is made up of wavelength. I am Lab Technician in a large factory. I run ICP, AA, and OES spectrometers and can tell you when you excite an atom he will give off a unique wavelength of light... The same light that went into his creation.

I am sorry but I highly doubt your claim of being a Lab technician. In America garbage collectors are called Sanitary engineers so lab technician means nothing unless you are one in any of the world's countries bar the USA!