Drunkards Will Not Inherit The Kingdom - Homosexual Isolation?

[davedjy]

Countless times, I keep hearing people say that "homosexuals will not inherit the kindgdom" when they do not read that verse correctly. Paul was not saying who will not go to heaven, and just specific sins...he was just addressing certain sins of the time, and why they need Jesus. In that same passage in 1 Cor 6:9 it says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom nor will fornicators, etc. He ends with "and this is what some of you were, but you were washed, sanctified and justifed..." in verse 11.


So why is it I only hear this biased translation used on homosexuals? The last person that quoted this passage against me is a person who admitted to being a big time drunk.

 

[Brieuse]

Like you posted...

"He ends with "and this is what some of you were, but you were washed, sanctified and justifed...""

At one stage I too was a drunk, it's hard to remain sober when you're lonely.

 

[Gusoceros]

Like you posted...

"He ends with "and this is what some of you were, but you were washed, sanctified and justifed...""

At one stage I too was a drunk, it's hard to remain sober when you're lonely.

 

[david_x]

So why is it I only hear this biased translation used on homosexuals? The last person that quoted this passage against me is a person who admitted to being a big time drunk.

I belive I will see you in heaven. We all have sinned and most will sin. God is a God of second chances.

 

[davedjy]

I belive I will see you in heaven. We all have sinned and most will sin. God is a God of second chances.

I don't need a second chance. He made me correctly the first time...

 

[david_x]

I don't need a second chance. He made me correctly the first time...

Of cource he made all of us correctly, sin however is part of this world.

 

[davedjy]

Of cource he made all of us correctly, sin however is part of this world.

So where does the Bible talk specifically about a sexual orientation having to with sin, again?

 

[Gusoceros]

Of cource he made all of us correctly, sin however is part of this world.

Well- to be fair- we were made correctly the first time- and it was good. Our current make-up is NOT good, and will die, and is a source of temptation to us, to do evil. This is one reason why we need Jesus- myself included.

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[david_x]

So where does the Bible talk specifically about a sexual orientation having to with sin, again?

adultry, hiring prostitutes, liying with another man.

 

[Der Alte]

So where does the Bible talk specifically about a sexual orientation having to with sin, again?

So where does the Bible state that matters? Did or did not God know the difference? Did God ever state or imply that there was any exception to

Lev 18:22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.​

 

[davedjy]

So where does the Bible state that matters? Did or did not God know the difference? Did God ever state or imply that there was any exception to

Lev 18:22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.​

yes, Read Romans 7, and if you actually spent the time to read my Leviticus 18 thread, and Googled, did some research on YOUR part, you would see early church doctrine does not mean a thing here.

So early Church doctrine is SO accurate, that women are treated as property, slavery is appropriate, but the misinformation about a loving, human, monogamous relationship needs to currently be condemned? where is your level of thinking on that one?

 

[PinkTulip]

yes, Read Romans 7, and if you actually spent the time to read my Leviticus 18 thread, and Googled, did some research on YOUR part, you would see early church doctrine does not mean a thing here.

So early Church doctrine is SO accurate, that women are treated as property, slavery is appropriate, but the misinformation about a loving, human, monogamous relationship needs to currently be condemned? where is your level of thinking on that one?

I have been meaning to respond to this comment. You are comparing apples to oranges - sinning versus how one should treat others. God never stated, "If a man does not beat his wife it is an abomination" – same with slavery (which was quite different than the North American slave trade). Slavery was more like a low-level job that people often entered to pay their debts. God never commanded one to own a slave. And yes, some families sold their children into slavery but we have to look at it culturally – it was often done so the family did not starve to death.

 

[davedjy]

I have been meaning to respond to this comment. You are comparing apples to oranges - sinning versus how one should treat others. God never stated, "If a man does not beat his wife it is an abomination" – same with slavery (which was quite different than the North American slave trade). Slavery was more like a low-level job that people often entered to pay their debts. God never commanded one to own a slave. And yes, some families sold their children into slavery but we have to look at it culturally – it was often done so the family did not starve to death.

You are comparing a ritual orgy ritual (Leviticus) to a monogamous relationship, which isn't even on the same level.

 

[PinkTulip]

You are comparing a ritual orgy ritual (Leviticus) to a monogamous relationship, which isn't even on the same level.

How do you figure this? I really don't understand. I think we are studying a different Bible. This section refers to the Holy Codes - laws governing each individual's holiness. Ch 18 refers to unlawful marriage and unchastity.

http://bible.tmtm.com/wiki/LEVITICUS_(Jewish_Encyclopedia)#Holiness_Code.

 

[david_x]

yes, Read Romans 7, and if you actually spent the time to read my Leviticus 18 thread, and Googled, did some research on YOUR part, you would see early church doctrine does not mean a thing here.

It's a fair question. You seem to be trying to create enemies rather than friends.

You are comparing a ritual orgy ritual (Leviticus) to a monogamous relationship, which isn't even on the same level.

Sin is all on the same level.

 

[PinkTulip]

It's a fair question. You seem to be trying to create enemies rather than friends.



Sin is all on the same level.

Learn from the Jews!

http://www.torah.org/learning/livinglaw/5767/vayera.html

 

[david_x]

Learn from the Jews!

[URL="http://www.torah.org/learning/living...67/vayera.html"]http://www.torah.org/learning/living...67/vayera.html[/URL]

Why is that a respose to what I said?

 

[PinkTulip]

Why is that a respose to what I said?

Oh it wasn't hehe..sorry I messed up.

 

[davedjy]

It's a fair question. You seem to be trying to create enemies rather than friends.



Sin is all on the same level.

Enemies? let's not go there, when people keep saying I"m not saved, and the same arbitrary comments keep getting made.

 

[ig3L]

Enemies? let's not go there, when people keep saying I"m not saved, and the same arbitrary comments keep getting made.

I am sorry on behalf of all of the biblically ignorant people that may have said that you are not saved. I don't doubt that such ignorance certainly exists. However, I would caution you against assuming that because someone tells you that a homosexual lifestyle is sinful that that means that homosexuals cannot be saved. To believe that would mean that no one is saved except Christ, because we are all sinners. I have never seen a Scripture that indicates that homosexuality is any more sinful than, e.g., heterosexual lust, disrespectful language, malice, etc.: things which most of us are guilty of. I would also caution against accepting the belief that, because you are saved, and because you are a practicing homosexual (hypothetically speaking; it is none of my business whether you are in fact), that your homosexual behavior is not a problem. As Christians we are always called to grow spiritually and morally, which requires humbly accepting biblical teaching about our behavior.