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Do you have anything other than hyperbole to add to this thread?
As a drug addict I pushed everyone away and lost everything to drugs. To become empty and lost to the world around me and that's no exaggeration or is its an extravagant statement in a figure of speech not intended to be taken literally. I lived the life of sex, drugs and rock in roll. I worked 350 pounds a pot a month for a meth habit or for an thing else I could get my hands on like acid, pcp, crystal meth, opium, kja. cocaine vicodin , Valium. Played with lots of money and Guns. Moved guns and pot between Mexico and ca. I started by drinking beer with the neighbor and progressed to pot. Then to meth and everything else followed. With a lot of [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] in between that drugs influenced as well. I have seen a lot of weird people and things. Drug use can no longer be justified in my world of thinking. My evperience over rules your word hyperbole.
 
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I wonder how many people died for a person to smoke a joint or how many people's lives are destroyed on your account to buy the stuff. The black market means it has a dark side to it and you would be the source of it. In your world of drug use habitually or casually.also to say your statement in a contribution to the mind set of drug use by saying its o.k. By being a bad example.
 
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The solution: Druggies offing a whole buncha non-druggies so there will be space in the hospitals for us. I think it's only fair that if someone is trying to kill us, we kill them first.

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No...

We're not trying to kill you, you're trying to kill yourself. To make your statement valid, we'd have to be force-feeding you the drugs ahead of time.

Nice Try
Swing and a miss
Back to the drawing board
 
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I wonder how many people died for a person to smoke a joint or how many people's lives are destroyed on your account to buy the stuff. The black market means it has a dark side to it and you would be the source of it.

As you can see by my other posts in this thread, I'm with you 100% and am very anti-drug.

...but,

You can't believe all of the stuff you see about how buying weed supports mafia's and terrorism and gives financing to organized crime units.

Truth be told, buying weed supports some white guy with dread locks listening to Elvis Costello in his mom's basement because he grows/sells weed for 100 bucks a week rather than getting a real job :)
 
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As you can see by my other posts in this thread, I'm with you 100% and am very anti-drug.

...but,

You can't believe all of the stuff you see about how buying weed supports mafia's and terrorism and gives financing to organized crime units.

Truth be told, buying weed supports some white guy with dread locks listening to Elvis Costello in his mom's basement because he grows/sells weed for 100 bucks a week rather than getting a real job :)
I 'm sorry to say I worked with a drug cartel in Mexico and here. I have put 10,000 dollar rolls of money stuffed in shoe boxes, full. To only turn around and put in a fiber glass camper shell with semi automatic once a month!

Out of 350 pounds of pot a month. Every 1/8 of weed sold collected them 5.00 dollars out 15-20 dollars collected in total of the sell, that was for the cartel in Mexico who grown the stuff. The rest of the money filtered its way to the origination here.The mass production for habitual users or thousands of casual users ,Well Look at it this way

Take a dollar only a dollar from a million people you have a million dollars and that is enough for some people, especially in Mexico in their Pecos but it add up to be a lot more. Don't you think? also some I mean a lot of people did it for the drugs!!!
 
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So if there are eight 1/8 in one 1 oz. Then one pound has 16oz. Then 8x16=128 and if we have 350 pounds that is 350x128=44800x 5.oo dollars it looks to be 224000. Not including the gun money and other drugs. Now that's Mexico side our side was 10.dollars a 1/8 that equaled 448000 a month
 
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I 'm sorry to say I worked with a drug cartel in Mexico and here. I have put 10,000 dollar rolls of money stuffed in shoe boxes, full. To only turn around and put in a fiber glass camper shell with semi automatic once a month!

Out of 350 pounds of pot a month. Every 1/8 of weed sold collected them 5.00 dollars out 15-20 dollars collected in total of the sell, that was for the cartel in Mexico who grown the stuff. The rest of the money filtered its way to the origination here.The mass production for habitual users or thousands of casual users ,Well Look at it this way

Take a dollar only a dollar from a million people you have a million dollars and that is enough for some people, especially in Mexico in their Pecos but it add up to be a lot more. Don't you think? also some I mean a lot of people did it for the drugs!!!

I don't doubt that it gets to this extreme in some locations for certain drugs...

When I was in high school the 3 main distributers were two brother who grew it in their basesment and a hippy farmer who grew it in his back yard.

They supplied most of the pot in the county and they were strictly home-grown operations with no involvement of cartels or organized crime rings.
 
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I don't doubt that it gets to this extreme in some locations for certain drugs...

When I was in high school the 3 main distributers were two brother who grew it in their basesment and a hippy farmer who grew it in his back yard.

They supplied most of the pot in the county and they were strictly home-grown operations with no involvement of cartels or organized crime rings.
I hear ya. I can't believe the stuff I have done. This is only the tip of the ice burg. I had the Feds approach me. I caught two agents watching the operation from power lines acting like electricians,but they had binoculars that gave them away. I said something to one of our guys and split! They raided some brothers across the city in other locations.
I was telling my wife, just now and she is getting worried about this conversation. Saying the Government will look to see if I am still sells. I don't care about that for I don't use or sell any more,but if I can help anyone from going down this road. I have done right by God.
 
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Okay fine you should be allowed to do whatever you want to your body...but under the following terms.

-you shouldn't be allowed to get any government funding when your brain gets fried and you can't function enough to hold a job
-you shouldn't be able to take up space in any hospital for any health conditions related to the drug use, those spots should be reserved for people with heath problems that were not caused by illegal activity.
-you should waive the right to have health care benefits because if you want to continually partake in a activity that makes you a higher risk, you shouldn't burden the system for the rest of us (or you should at least pay elevated rates like a lot of insurance companies charge for smokers and drinkers)

Quote from the white house's website

Recent estimates suggest that the abuse of alcohol and drugs costs taxpayers more than $294 billion annually in preventable health care costs

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011109-27.html

I assume this applies to drinkers, smokers, the obese and anyone with an unhealthy diet or poor exercise routines?

Let me just say that, personally, I don't indulge in regular excess enough to end up in such an extreme position, and have no plans to. What's more, if I were to end up like that, I'd more than likely be happy to let them pull the plug...I'd rather go at 40 with my faculties relatively intact than live to 80 feeling like Ozzy Osborne looks.

In general terms, a few things:

Firstly, I do not believe any developed liberal democracy could ever go to the lengths of prohibiting all drug users from receiving healthcare or benefits.

You may not have ever been a drug addict, and neither have I, but if I may use a religious idiom we could all be there but for the grace of God. I count myself lucky that I don't need a bottle of vodka or a gram of coke to get out of bed in the morning, and unlike some I look on those who do with empathy, compassion and pity rather than sheer contempt.

Addiction is a disease like any other. Yes, people have a choice to take drugs outside of addiction, but addiction is not a choice, it destroys choice. For those not really addicted, drug related health issues are the result of one of two things: the desire to no longer exist, an indicator of depression and at any rate not the thought of a rationally functioning being (cases of altruism and terminal illness aside, as no longer existing is not the desire but a side-effect) or losing out in the sort of calculated risk we all take every day. If you cross the road, or live in an area with high violent crime when you could live somewhere else, or a million other things from leaving your front door to riding a motorbike, you take a risk because you think it's worth it. Taking a drug like, say, ecstasy, that has the same likelihood of killing you as the morning after pill is no different a risk than crossing the road just because it involves drugs.

Specifically, I can't see the reason for this confusion that equates what is moral and what is legal. If heroin addicts should not be allowed in to hospital, neither should anyone with type 2 diabetes, alcohol poisoning or obesity due to over-eating and lack of exercise.

Your position is frankly no less cruel and inhuman than the idea that people who attempt suicide should be left to die slowly rather than helped, and possibly even cajoled into doing so to reduce the number of "useless" people in our society. Fortunately, most of us don't see people as things that are useful for making other things to make our lives cushier.

Legality is relevant in one important manner in this case: if the drugs were legalised they, like tobacco and alcohol, would be taxed to the point that users put billions of pounds more in to the economy than they take out in healthcare. Until then, it's the government's fault that they choose not to take a cut of the money I spend on illegal drugs, at the same time wasting money on an un-winnable war on drugs and pushing up the price of the drugs themselves due to the risks and middlemen involved so I have less money to spend in the 'overground' or 'formal' economy. Sad, yes, but not my fault.

Credit crunch busting tip of the week: legalise drugs and prostitution, regulate and tax them. :thumbsup:
 
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I assume this applies to drinkers, smokers, the obese and anyone with an unhealthy diet or poor exercise routines?

No, drinking and smoking is legal. If you read my post, I stated that the health care should be reserved for people who didn't ruin their health in an illegal manor.

If I were ever to have a hearth attack, I wouldn't want to have to wait for the doctor to see me because he was tending to the cocaine addict who destroyed his heart taking an illegal substance.
 
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As a drug addict I pushed everyone away and lost everything to drugs. To become empty and lost to the world around me and that's no exaggeration or is its an extravagant statement in a figure of speech not intended to be taken literally. I lived the life of sex, drugs and rock in roll. I worked 350 pounds a pot a month for a meth habit or for an thing else I could get my hands on like acid, pcp, crystal meth, opium, kja. cocaine vicodin , Valium. Played with lots of money and Guns. Moved guns and pot between Mexico and ca. I started by drinking beer with the neighbor and progressed to pot. Then to meth and everything else followed. With a lot of [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] in between that drugs influenced as well. I have seen a lot of weird people and things. Drug use can no longer be justified in my world of thinking. My evperience over rules your word hyperbole.
I am the exact opposite of you, and I have done and continue to do drugs. My experience overrules your experience.

Just showing how ridiculous it is.. YMMV.
 
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I wonder how many people died for a person to smoke a joint or how many people's lives are destroyed on your account to buy the stuff. The black market means it has a dark side to it and you would be the source of it. In your world of drug use habitually or casually.also to say your statement in a contribution to the mind set of drug use by saying its o.k. By being a bad example.

Nobody died so that I could smoke the bowl I had last night. No lives were destroyed. No mafia guys, gang members or Mexican cartel are involved in my marijuana use. None. Period.
 
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No, drinking and smoking is legal. If you read my post, I stated that the health care should be reserved for people who didn't ruin their health in an illegal manor.

If I were ever to have a hearth attack, I wouldn't want to have to wait for the doctor to see me because he was tending to the cocaine addict who destroyed his heart taking an illegal substance.

Yes, but as I said I don't understand why there ought to be a distinction between people who have health problems from indulging too much in legal drugs and those that have the same but with illegal ones.
 
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Yes, but as I said I don't understand why there ought to be a distinction between people who have health problems from indulging too much in legal drugs and those that have the same but with illegal ones.

There should be a distinction based on risk factor and how detrimental something is to society as a whole.

Any google search will tell you that heroin and cocaine are more damaging to the human body than beer or cigarettes
 
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Do you agree or disagree? What are your thoughts.

1/ If pot grows naturally, we can therefore one can assume is God given.
If we assume that God created the Universe, then everything must be "God given". *wink*

I am of the personal opinion that Cannabis might very well be a gift from God, given the many benefits, like helping terminal AIDS patients relieve pain in States with Medical Marijuana, and there is a cannabinoid that might help slow the onset of Alzheimer's.

2/ If it was not illegal it would be moral for a christian to indulge from time to time as long as one was not putting ones health at risk.
Personally, I am of the opinion that if one is not posing a serious risk to others by doing something, that thing should probably not be illegal.

Can the same logic can be applied to other drugs, cocaine, opium, alcohol, tobacco? Discuss.
I support the legalization of any "soft" drug, which I would consider to be: Cannabis, LSD, Tobacco, Alcohol and similar drugs that are generally pretty hard to overdose on (Alcohol being the most easy to overdose on).

But there are also drugs that scare me too much, and I just can't bring myself to support their legalization, drugs like: Heroin, Meth, and PCP. They do horrible things to people, and PCP especially can cause unpredictable violent behavior.
 
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Nobody died so that I could smoke the bowl I had last night. No lives were destroyed. No mafia guys, gang members or Mexican cartel are involved in my marijuana use. None. Period.
True. Cannabis used in the US is generally grown in the US. It has been one of our biggest cash crops, in 2006 it was found to be our #1 Cash Crop. even though it is currently illegal.

It would be very good for quite a few farmers, I feel, if Cannabis were legalized.
 
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I support the legalization of any "soft" drug, which I would consider to be: Cannabis, LSD, Tobacco, Alcohol and similar drugs that are generally pretty hard to overdose on (Alcohol being the most easy to overdose on).

But there are also drugs that scare me too much, and I just can't bring myself to support their legalization, drugs like: Heroin, Meth, and PCP. They do horrible things to people, and PCP especially can cause unpredictable violent behavior.

This is basically the same stance I take, especially in regards to pot and PCP. If given a choice based on the problems the use of a substance causes, I'd have alcohol illegal rather than pot. Heck, I'd probably have tobacco illegal over pot, and I drink and occasionally use tobacco, but don't smoke pot.
 
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