i'd love to get some feedback on this subject. what do you all think of drugs? i dont necessarily mean hard drugs like heroin, but recreational ones such as dope and marijuana. what do you feel about it, does your religion play a part in your opinion,please explain your viewpoint.
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ReUsAbLePhEoNiX
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weed was a very positive expereince for about a year until it became negative for too many years afterwards and had a negative impact on my quality of life. I no longer do it cuz I think after the first year there must be a physical change that happens in the brain, cuz now all it does is make me feel tired, slow and dopey, no matter how long I go inbetween use. The first year of moderate use was very positive, creative energy, energetic, positive attitude, high attention, deep thoughts. I spent most of that year in the state library reading about everything I didnt know about..... all of the sudden it changed into a negative thing with opposite effects and slowly requiring more and more of the stuff to get the same effect, until I was smoking it all day long ( not a good thing) like I said I think the brain undergoes some kind of permanent physical change, by that time it easily becomes a destructive habit.
So over all I dont know if its good or bad..it kind of like a yin-yang thing. Once the good part is gone...its gone forever. Ask any old hippy and he will tell you the same thing
So over all I dont know if its good or bad..it kind of like a yin-yang thing. Once the good part is gone...its gone forever. Ask any old hippy and he will tell you the same thing
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feral
Dostoyevsky was right
I am fairly torn on the issue.
On one hand, of course, I myself abhor drugs. I have a few pothead friends who are endlessly boring to the point where I just want to slap them, and I have always hated marijuana. I've had friends who took stronger things and died of overdoses, which pretty much killed my drug fascination.
However, I think there are some benefits in drugs. They help people express themselves. They are a nice escape from reality. If someone wants to take drugs, I think they should be permitted to do so without any legal restrictions, so long as they are not driving or something. I think it would be good to legalize drug use and not waste money hunting down users when we have bigger fish to fry. And I don't mean this just about marijuana, but all drugs. Adults should have the right to decide for themselves. I have several friends who are so much fun and so interesting when they take ecstasy or K, and others who seem so much less depressed if they are on something. So really, I am not for or against drugs. I don't use them, but I don't mind if you do..I guess that basically sums it up.
On one hand, of course, I myself abhor drugs. I have a few pothead friends who are endlessly boring to the point where I just want to slap them, and I have always hated marijuana. I've had friends who took stronger things and died of overdoses, which pretty much killed my drug fascination.
However, I think there are some benefits in drugs. They help people express themselves. They are a nice escape from reality. If someone wants to take drugs, I think they should be permitted to do so without any legal restrictions, so long as they are not driving or something. I think it would be good to legalize drug use and not waste money hunting down users when we have bigger fish to fry. And I don't mean this just about marijuana, but all drugs. Adults should have the right to decide for themselves. I have several friends who are so much fun and so interesting when they take ecstasy or K, and others who seem so much less depressed if they are on something. So really, I am not for or against drugs. I don't use them, but I don't mind if you do..I guess that basically sums it up.
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how much freedom do you want? Are you willing to give that up? Not to mention if you get hooked on them, you usually end up causing grief for those who care about you.creep said:
Drugs take control of your life.
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I'm sorry but this would have to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard!! I cannot understand your logic. You say you have friends who have overdosed on drugs and it killed your drug fascination. But your happy to legalise these things, because it should everyone's decision right ? give me a break
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I equate the lesser drugs (like marijuana) with alcohol; not terribly harmful if used infrequently with moderation. But any hard drugs...those are dangerous to mess around with. On the one hand I kind of think people should be allowed to make their own choices about what goes in their bodies...on the other hand, who knows what harm their choices could have on other people. I'm still not sure what I think about legalization.
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inchoate:
I have heard of people being killed by electricity, should we illegalize that?
Cars kill thousands of people each year, we should make them illegal as well.
Food is the cause of one of the largest epedemics in the US, it should be illegal as well.
You see, we shouldn't focus on the object but the person. But it is much easier to focus on the object, so we ignore the person. Objects are only dangerous in the hands of irresposible people, or people with other problems. Objects including drugs aren't dangerous it is how they are used. Granted some drugs are addictive, but that just means it is easier for the person to make them dangerous.
Banning drugs because they are dangerous is like getting a call from your friend saying they are going to commit suicide with a knife. So you go over to their house and you take away all the knives and tell your friend they are OK now and leave. You didn't solve anything, you just prevented your friend from using a knife, doesn't mean they can't electricute themselves after you leave. Meanwhile the person in the house who doesn't have a problem can't make a sandwich.
But it is easier to take away the knives and pretend you have done something to help your friend than it is to talk with them and take the effort to get them help.
Edit to add: Many people put drugs into their body all the time, but because they aren't labeled "drugs" people don't think much about it. Coffee for example contains caffeine, a stimulant that can be addictive and deadly. Most coffee drinkers aren't dropping dead because they aren't using it heavily or in large doses. However, if anyone here is a big coffee drinker and has had a head ache and been irritable when they didn't get their cup of coffee, that is most likely caffeine withdrawals.
I have heard of people being killed by electricity, should we illegalize that?
Cars kill thousands of people each year, we should make them illegal as well.
Food is the cause of one of the largest epedemics in the US, it should be illegal as well.
You see, we shouldn't focus on the object but the person. But it is much easier to focus on the object, so we ignore the person. Objects are only dangerous in the hands of irresposible people, or people with other problems. Objects including drugs aren't dangerous it is how they are used. Granted some drugs are addictive, but that just means it is easier for the person to make them dangerous.
Banning drugs because they are dangerous is like getting a call from your friend saying they are going to commit suicide with a knife. So you go over to their house and you take away all the knives and tell your friend they are OK now and leave. You didn't solve anything, you just prevented your friend from using a knife, doesn't mean they can't electricute themselves after you leave. Meanwhile the person in the house who doesn't have a problem can't make a sandwich.
But it is easier to take away the knives and pretend you have done something to help your friend than it is to talk with them and take the effort to get them help.
Edit to add: Many people put drugs into their body all the time, but because they aren't labeled "drugs" people don't think much about it. Coffee for example contains caffeine, a stimulant that can be addictive and deadly. Most coffee drinkers aren't dropping dead because they aren't using it heavily or in large doses. However, if anyone here is a big coffee drinker and has had a head ache and been irritable when they didn't get their cup of coffee, that is most likely caffeine withdrawals.
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i believe in keeping my body healthy and free of harmfull substances. i respect my self well enough not to habbitualy smoke or drink. relgion never really had anything to do with my choices...but being Christian does help in motivating me. i don't think it's 'wrong' to smoke marijuana or anything like it...it's just not for me.
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AdJesumPerMariam
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Taking drugs is a real stupid thing to do. Whether it be heroin, pot, alcohol, cigarettes, or any other, it destroys your body. It destroys families, and friendships. Ask the person who has killed someone else while driving under the influence. Or the friend I have sitting on death row because he stabbed someone 41 times, and don't remember it. Or the 15 year old I took care of who lost her baby because of a crack overdose (died in utero-autopsy showed chrystalized crack in joints).
You can argue that you have the right to do anything you want with your body, but you forget, unless you have no family or friends, you involve someone else. Many times it is just an innocent person.
You can argue that you have the right to do anything you want with your body, but you forget, unless you have no family or friends, you involve someone else. Many times it is just an innocent person.
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Yep, there are plenty of irresponsible people out there, or people with problems that they try to use drugs to solve.
When someone dies in a car crash, I rarely hear shouting to ban cars or claims that its the cars fault that it can't handle well at 150MPH. But when someone dies from drugs, people shout to ban drugs and blame the drugs for the death.
When someone dies in a car crash, I rarely hear shouting to ban cars or claims that its the cars fault that it can't handle well at 150MPH. But when someone dies from drugs, people shout to ban drugs and blame the drugs for the death.
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AdJesumPerMariam
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OK, I'll concede it is irrisponsible to use drugs & be irrisponsible. Are you saying drugs don't cause death?
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Not at all. Drugs can easily be dangerous and deadly and have killed many and messed up the lives of many more. Which is why I support education about drugs and counseling of people. It's kind of like Give a man a fish vs. Teach a man to fish.
The problem is that responsibility is a very hard thing to teach and something that is unfortunatly lacking in the world today. But It can help in many areas of a persons life beyond drugs.
The problem is that responsibility is a very hard thing to teach and something that is unfortunatly lacking in the world today. But It can help in many areas of a persons life beyond drugs.
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I hate drugs but love plants. So what is cannabis? A drug or a plant? They are seed bearing, they do possess many economic values, and they look nice in your home. They smell great, taste great, and feel great going down into your lungs. Maybe tabbacy is easier to blend with additives, but for the most part, stay away if it looks dead and decaying and has been known to kill hundreds of thousands of people through out the world each year.
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as far as i am aware. nobody has ever died from a pot OD. i believe in the ethos of 'everything in small doses'.too many people allow themselves to become addicted, but i'm aware that sometimes, despite the best efforts, it cannot be helped. i.e. after two experiences, the body becomes addicted to heroin.there is also a danger with things like lsd.a manclubbed himself to death thinking that there was a rat inside his head.the reason i prefer cannabis is because it is a natural plant, simply pick and smoke.no unknown chemical processes as you get with lsd or meth amphetamine.
i think the lines can be drawn between USERS and ABUSERS. its the difference between people who enjoy but can live without, and people who cannot.
i agree with Pirate s.m. smoking is quite harmful, and the body is the temple so its important to be aware of the effects of what yo do.
interesting facts: the body doesn't acteally need caffiene to survive. and if somebody drank just 5 drops of pure nicotine ina glass of water, they'd be addicted for life.
so let me pose a further question:
religion and law. is there any religious undertaking to respect the law? i know most laws are based on morals (like not robbing people), but would your religion want you to respect all laws regardless of if they were moral or not?
i think the lines can be drawn between USERS and ABUSERS. its the difference between people who enjoy but can live without, and people who cannot.
i agree with Pirate s.m. smoking is quite harmful, and the body is the temple so its important to be aware of the effects of what yo do.
interesting facts: the body doesn't acteally need caffiene to survive. and if somebody drank just 5 drops of pure nicotine ina glass of water, they'd be addicted for life.
so let me pose a further question:
religion and law. is there any religious undertaking to respect the law? i know most laws are based on morals (like not robbing people), but would your religion want you to respect all laws regardless of if they were moral or not?
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Although its effect on you can be dangerous if you try to do things like drive, it is impossible to OD on pot when using any traditional ways of taking it.
LSD is actually a more chemically pure drug than pot and is also chemically safe (its pretty hard to OD on it) as it is taken in very small amounts and so it isn't toxic. Thats not to say that its completely safe, as it can be abused just like many other things.
The religion and law question is a good one. The bible says that you should follow the laws, yet at the same time Jesus practices some pretty big civil disobedience.
LSD is actually a more chemically pure drug than pot and is also chemically safe (its pretty hard to OD on it) as it is taken in very small amounts and so it isn't toxic. Thats not to say that its completely safe, as it can be abused just like many other things.
The religion and law question is a good one. The bible says that you should follow the laws, yet at the same time Jesus practices some pretty big civil disobedience.
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hehe. yeah, he sure did. i think its the psychotic effects associated eith lsd thats the problem with the drug. granted, its only a small few who whack-out and try to cut themselves open chasing imaginery bugs, but if i was to try it, i'd want a good friend there just in case. also if the chemist messes up the mix, it can go horribly wrong (as with any chemical mix)
personally i'd take morals- doing what i think is right, regerdless of the law. i generally follow the laws that are there for safety, and if i break them i ensure that i don't endanger others or implicate them.peer pressure can be an awful evil.
personally i'd take morals- doing what i think is right, regerdless of the law. i generally follow the laws that are there for safety, and if i break them i ensure that i don't endanger others or implicate them.peer pressure can be an awful evil.
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I like the way the general consensus is going in here. I think that regardless of the substance, (drugs, tv, food - I classify all things that are used to escape in the same category) they should never be used in a way to 1)interefere with your purpose in life and 2)physically harm you. In my opinion just about anything in moderation will not harm you, it is the responsibility and personal control that was spoken of earlier that needs to be addressed: not the drugs. Its all about us. We are not little children that need things to be put up out of our reach in order for us not to "hurt" ourselves.creep said:
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I think it's great fun to watch my friends crawl around on the floor with a nosebleed while looking for their eyeballs. That's why I think they should have the right to continue their drug-use for as long as they amuse me.
'Look John, there it goes! No there! Ah, too late, it's rolled under the couch.'
'Look John, there it goes! No there! Ah, too late, it's rolled under the couch.'
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