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When Christ died on the cross, this curtain ripped from top to bottom. This indicated that there was no need for the ceremony of the priest before we talk to God. The division was gone.
Even the angels refused to let anyone bow down or kneel in front of them. This action is seen as worship. Kneeling in front of a statue of anyone is not biblical. Praying to anyone other than God the father, Christ or the Holy spirit..........also not biblical.I don't believe praying to the saints is idolatrous, even insofar as kneeling to images of them which is fairly common at least in the Roman church.
A lot of protestants make the mistake of conflating confidence and prayer toward a saint with worshiping them.
Receiving prayers to God, not to themselves or to saints.
Even the angels refused to let anyone bow down or kneel in front of them. This action is seen as worship. Kneeling in front of a statue of anyone is not biblical. Praying to anyone other than God the father, Christ or the Holy spirit..........also not biblical.
If any other deceased human of any rank on this earth can hear the prayers we speak.... they can not do anything about it. Why bother..... Jesus is our Lord, prayers of any kind should be spoken to Him, His father or the comforter that He sent to be with us... the Holy Spirit.
Kneeling in front of a statue of anyone is not biblical.
Did Moses and Elijah stand before Christ in the Transfiguration event?
More evidence that saints are with Christ and not dead.
Forgive me...
According to nothing- nobody has anything compelling to support the notion. There are statues in the oldest Protestant churches even- your idea came much later as Protestantism began to develop it's own errors.
I don't disagree with that.
Let me clarify where I'm speaking from: I don't find praying to saints to be sinful or completely invalid, but I also don't find it to be necessary either- certainly not to the extent in which the catholic churches have made it.
The reality is that all the Saints are humans- we don't really know them anymore than they did us- I don't see what real impact praying personally to a saint could do for somebody when they can speak directly to the Lord- who can deal with us individually.
But by the same point, I could also see to a vastly limited extent the Saints being swooned by our prayers and working with the Spirit for our benefit.
The real question is how these saints can even hear all these prayers being said to them, and does it in fact dishonour God to pray to a mere human being rather than to Him (especially when Scripture forbids it). It is not just a harmless practice, but could be opening people up to deception.
I find a pretrib rapture to be far more troubling.
Waiting for God to come and take us away from trouble?
Forgive me...
Yes, well, I am post-trib myself. However, I find praying to anyone but God equally troubling.
Okay, well just so you know... catholics of all flavors disagree with you.
Forgive me...
You may want to go read what the Bible says about "graven images."
Roger that... thanks for being nice!I am perfectly aware of that. I'm more concerned with what the Bible says than what people say.
Let's examine:
Exodus 20:4-5
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
I don't see anything saying it's wrong to pray to the Saints. What I see is altogether a command that a person not kneel to anyone or anything contrary to God.
And you will to, if you simply take a few minutes to examine the context- Saints are followers of God, nothing like what the passage speaks of.
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