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Dreams and Visions and Deception

Tobias

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So, I warn those who have dreams and visions and messages to test the spirits, and if they continue to have these confusing dream, then we need to take it to our Lord Jesus Christ in prayer and ask Him to take them away from them if they are not of Him. Also, we need to realise that our Almighty God would be definite and precise, not confusing, and not symbolic.

Be aware, beware, and don’t be unaware.


That's not scriptural. The book of Revelation is confusing and very symbolic.


I've had dreams and visions from God. The message in them has not always been clear. Not at first, anyway! But like Pharaoh's dream, you just know it's got a hidden message in there somewhere. And when God reveals it, you somehow know that, this time you've got the meaning right. :)
 
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OH my heart bounces with joy, as I sleep in my carnal dreams all of you on the other side are having a ball, and it was complete joy as I read your comments and camaraderie. Many times when I believe I am being touched by our Lord, our Spirit of God, I test it, and correct it by praying at most times: “If this is not of YOU, Lord Jesus Christ, then take it from me, in Jesus Name!”

A long time ago, I was working as a volunteer with a Christian organisation that ran on flesh more so than the Spirit of God. This was my mission for the next three years, and our Lord spoke to me many times while I was there. I experienced more signs and wonders and the works of Satan and his forces that landing at Normanby Beaches in 1944.

I had this dream this night and it was a beautiful dream. I was talking to three of the staff members in the middle of the “village green” and they were being so holy and boring, and I had a book open and it was an image of our Lord Jesus Christ, short hair and short beard. And the colours of the image were astounding. I was so excited that I wanted to show the other three men.

I said to them: “Look at this!” And as I showed them the image, it turned to black and white. I turned away, and the image again turned into the beautiful colours. I said again: “Hey fellows, have a look at this!” And again it turned to black and white!” I just shook my head in bewilderment.

I pondered on this dream during the day, and I finally asked Him what my dream meant, and HE said: “They do not know ME!”

The following day I was walking around the village and I ran into a new person who had moved into the village, and we had a general chat, when they said to me: “They fear you, because they do not know HIM, but they know that you know HIM! You know HIS NAME”, or words to that effect.

Praise our Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessings.
 
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That's not scriptural. The book of Revelation is confusing and very symbolic.


I've had dreams and visions from God. The message in them has not always been clear. Not at first, anyway! But like Pharaoh's dream, you just know it's got a hidden message in there somewhere. And when God reveals it, you somehow know that, this time you've got the meaning right. :)

So, now all believers are images of John, and not our Lord Jesus Christ, and all our Lord wants for us is to be confused like the world of Christianity is at the moment trying to decipher Revelation?

Come on mate, you are clutching at straws!:)
 
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So, now all believers are images of John, and not our Lord Jesus Christ, and all our Lord wants for us is to be confused like the world of Christianity is at the moment trying to decipher Revelation?

Come on mate, you are clutching at straws!:)



Not really. Using the scriptures as our guideline, we see that many God-given dreams/visions are symbolic and confusing.
 
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Most dreams are symbolic actually

Gen 41:1 Now it happened at the end of two full years that Pharaoh had a dream, and behold, he was standing by the Nile. 2 And lo, from the Nile there came up seven cows, sleek and fat; and they grazed in the marsh grass. 3 Then behold, seven other cows came up after them from the Nile, ugly and gaunt, and they stood by the other cows on the bank of the Nile. 4 The ugly and gaunt cows ate up the seven sleek and fat cows.

If the interpreter didn't know prophetic symbolism they wouldn't have figured out what 3 fat cows eating 3 skinny cows meant.
Another interesting fact here to note is that God speaks to the unsaved as well as the saved through their dreams.
 
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Most dreams are symbolic actually

Gen 41:1 Now it happened at the end of two full years that Pharaoh had a dream, and behold, he was standing by the Nile. 2 And lo, from the Nile there came up seven cows, sleek and fat; and they grazed in the marsh grass. 3 Then behold, seven other cows came up after them from the Nile, ugly and gaunt, and they stood by the other cows on the bank of the Nile. 4 The ugly and gaunt cows ate up the seven sleek and fat cows.

If the interpreter didn't know prophetic symbolism they wouldn't have figured out what 3 fat cows eating 3 skinny cows meant.
Another interesting fact here to note is that God speaks to the unsaved as well as the saved through their dreams.

An interesting side note to how you close this point is God actually speaking to Muslims through dreams about Jesus and Muslims are converting to Christianity as a result of local believers testimonies verifying these dreams...

Visions of Jesus appearing to Muslims?
Visions of Jesus Stir Muslim Hearts: Spiritual Life on CBN.com

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS ALL YOU LANDS! PRAISE THE ONE WHO IS, WHO WAS, AND IS STILL TO COME! HALLELUJAH!
 
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An interesting side note to how you close this point is God actually speaking to Muslims through dreams about Jesus and Muslims are converting to Christianity as a result of local believers testimonies verifying these dreams...

Visions of Jesus appearing to Muslims?
Visions of Jesus Stir Muslim Hearts: Spiritual Life on CBN.com

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS ALL YOU LANDS! PRAISE THE ONE WHO IS, WHO WAS, AND IS STILL TO COME! HALLELUJAH!

:clap::clap::clap:

Beautiful articles! Inspiring! Praise God!! :amen:
 
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Most dreams are symbolic actually

Gen 41:1 Now it happened at the end of two full years that Pharaoh had a dream, and behold, he was standing by the Nile. 2 And lo, from the Nile there came up seven cows, sleek and fat; and they grazed in the marsh grass. 3 Then behold, seven other cows came up after them from the Nile, ugly and gaunt, and they stood by the other cows on the bank of the Nile. 4 The ugly and gaunt cows ate up the seven sleek and fat cows.

If the interpreter didn't know prophetic symbolism they wouldn't have figured out what 3 fat cows eating 3 skinny cows meant.
Another interesting fact here to note is that God speaks to the unsaved as well as the saved through their dreams.


Here's what I think:

There are those really rare dreams when God is trying to tell us something. This is what Pharaoh dreamed, and somehow he just knew it was not like any other dream he had ever had.

Pharaoh went to his magicians and such, who were most likely used to interpreting normal everyday dreams. But when it comes to God-given dreams, the rules change! None of his normal dream interpreters could do the job!

I've had the privilege of doing this kind of dream interpretation before. It is very similar to giving a prophecy, or working in one of the other gifts of the Spirit. The answer to the dream comes from God, very similar to how Joseph explained things. He said that it was God who interprets the dreams!

God-given dreams take God-given interpretations. It's nothing you will ever find in a book on dream interpretation. I know some people are into that stuff, but those kinds of books don't interest me in the least.
 
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For anyone who is interested in learning some things about dream interpretation here is a free online guide with scriptures. It's very good.
http://www.upstreamca.org/In_a_Dream__IN_a_Vision_of_the_Night.pdf

It amazes me that some of the very ones who claim the bible isn't the only authority do not prayerfully consider that maybe the Lord uses such writings which are inspired by Him (which are, after all, based on the Word of God).

Since when are dreams, or anything for that matter, based on how one "feels" about them? More contradictions is all I see.

I agree however that dream interpretation is indeed a gift which falls under the heading of prophecy.
 
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No, Stephen was NOT an apostle... He was one of the seven deacons in Acts 6

I agree and thanks for pointing it out

Last night at a mens meeting the substitute leader referred to Stephen as the first martyred apostle and I went along with what he was saying but it stuck with me

Then when you said what you did reminded me of what I needed to check out

Glad I asked and thank you for sharing :thumbsup:
 
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I agree and thanks for pointing it out

Last night at a mens meeting the substitute leader referred to Stephen as the first martyred apostle and I went along with what he was saying but it stuck with me

Then when you said what you did reminded me of what I needed to check out

Glad I asked and thank you for sharing :thumbsup:

No problem. :) God bless you!
 
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Not really. Using the scriptures as our guideline, we see that many God-given dreams/visions are symbolic and confusing.

You don't possibly think that the Tower of babel formed with forbidden man made bricks for getting to heaven that resulted in everyone speaking a different language could possibly be a prophecy of the modern day church with its thousands of denominations all saying come to heaven our way :D
 
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Matjohluk, while I appreciate your exhortation to test the spirits, there are some things here that I take issue with. God absolutely DOES speak in dreams in these last days, just as Joel predicted and Peter quoted at Pentecost. Most of the time there is something that can be gleaned from a dream even if it is a dream that betrays our soulish obsessions or reveals the schemes of the enemy. I've been a dream interpreter for around a dozen years, and I have seen it all. Just like in real life, we can always take it to the Lord and say, "What can I learn from this?" Your quotation from Revelation 13 included something that is not there in the actual Bible. You wrote (dreams, visions, and messages) ostensibly to explain what the signs from the antichrist and the beast are. It's obvious to me that the signs are "attesting miracles" that might deceive people into thinking that they are seeing the Messiah, physically seeing him, not in their dreams.

According to my observation over the last dozen or so years, God often does speak in ways that are confusing to the mind. Jesus spoke in parable to prevent the natural mind from figuring out what he was saying, and that still happens! Also, I think our natural minds sometimes get in there and confuse things, presenting to us pictures of something we have seen before to represent something we have not seen before; I am sure some of that went on in the Revelation to John. And as others have said here, dreams are usually symbolic - that is scriptural! Even Peter's trance vision was symbolic!

I like the painting "Prince of Peace". Seems very plausible to me.
Why did you post that painting here? Really curious!

Well good thing Joseph didn't think his dreams were caused by a bad side of meat.
amen, brother!

In the last days your old men shall dream dreams. We just have to test them.
One guy here on the dream forums had a dream about God the Father and God the Son, two white persons, you can't see the Father. Jesus is the Representation of the Father.
But since dreams are symbolic, you CAN see a representation of the Father. And the representation could be of any race!

Are you one of the unique chosen Apostles? The very ones who have given us what Jesus has spoken?
And are you one of those people who believes that God clammed up in the first century A.D.?

Dream symbolism needs to be understood, and how we approach the interp, but I have had some dreams from the Lord, that came to pass with pinpoint accuracy.:)
Let it be know that on this day in the year of our Lord 2014 I agreed with Frogster....

If I have a dream & the Holy Spirit doesn't explain or tell me what it means, I ignore it.
And you are the poorer for it. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to search it out! (that's scripture, btw)

It's important to get cleaned up if people have been involved in the deeper things of Satan. It's important that every believer become familiar with how to judge (by the Spirit) and take heed to what's written in the Word about testing, vigilance, etc.

At the same time, dreams and visions are a promise of God that should be embraced, agreed with and expected. But you've got to test it out by the fruits. Get godly counsel if you're unsure.

The best way to avoid deception is to walk closely with your Shepherd, because there is where the rod and the staff are nearest, and the wolves are furthest.
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That's not scriptural. The book of Revelation is confusing and very symbolic.
:amen:

You don't possibly think that the Tower of babel formed with forbidden man made bricks for getting to heaven that resulted in everyone speaking a different language could possibly be a prophecy of the modern day church with its thousands of denominations all saying come to heaven our way :D
I believe that God reversed the Tower of Babel at Pentecost, and that the language of dreams is in effect a "tongue".
 
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Thanks Talitha, but my posting wasn't negative but positive that we all need to test the dream and particularly if we are having a lot of dreams, which many seem to have. All I was saying was to be aware, beware, and don't be unaware. Can't believe the offence that was expressed by those people who didn't read exactly what I said. If HIS sheep want to willy nilly accept dreams that have nothing to do with our Heavenly Father and try to make it manifest into something beautiful for them, then so be it. I explained a simple dream I had some years back, and nobody even pondered on it or I suppose didn't even read it. Yes, I guess all people seeing our Lord running around in long hair, and if he was trying to avoid anyone, in those days he would well and truly stand out in the crowd like ET in a pile of fluffy dolls. As far as I am aware that in our Lord's days the Jews wore short hair and so did all the other cultures, such as Romans and Greeks. And most recorded information stated that he was taller than the other Jews and had blonde/fair hair and blue-gray eyes.
 
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Hi,
Can the Lord speak to individual believers? Sure but the loosenes of some things going on are weird. I have a brother in Christ, whose wife claims to have danced with Jesus. There's a well known preacher advocating 3rd heaven transports. But dreams sometimes sure, but test the spirit. The SPIRIT of God ultimately honors Jesus not the flesh.

Grace to you.
 
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