Drawn Porn

[faster_jackrabbit]

In the arguments about morality, I never accept "god/jesus/bible don't like it" as a valid reason for something to be prohibited. I require a reason for them to be against it.

In the moral codes I have in common with christians (prohibition of murder, assault, rape, theft), the reason is obvious. One person is causing harm to another. Every time. By defintion.

Christianity has a lot of additional prohibitions that I do not think are reasonable, the bulk of which are related to sex. Some of these behaviors have the potential for harm in certain circumstances, but it can usually be avoided. Yet the behavior is prohibited across the board without regard to circumstance.

One of these prohibited behaviors is watching porn.

One of the claims made against it is that it ruins the lives of the performers, so we will skip that entire issue.

In my OP I am talking about drawn porn, i.e. porn that does not involve actual human beings. In other words, the characters in the porn are drawn by an artist or are computer generated.

What actual harm is caused by drawn porn?

And please do not drag out the tired old gag "it turns people into rapists". I have been looking at porn since the mid-1970s and have not raped anyone yet.

 

[skullcrush]

Porn is good...Porn is very good

On the serious side, who's being harmed by it? If I wanna watch Jenna Jameson get her freak on in the camera by myself, how is that immoral?

 

[CSmrw]

In the arguments about morality, I never accept "god/jesus/bible don't like it" as a valid reason for something to be prohibited. I require a reason for them to be against it.

In the moral codes I have in common with christians (prohibition of murder, assault, rape, theft), the reason is obvious. One person is causing harm to another. Every time. By defintion.

Christianity has a lot of additional prohibitions that I do not think are reasonable, the bulk of which are related to sex. Some of these behaviors have the potential for harm in certain circumstances, but it can usually be avoided. Yet the behavior is prohibited across the board without regard to circumstance.

One of these prohibited behaviors is watching porn.

One of the claims made against it is that it ruins the lives of the performers, so we will skip that entire issue.

In my OP I am talking about drawn porn, i.e. porn that does not involve actual human beings. In other words, the characters in the porn are drawn by an artist or are computer generated.

What actual harm is caused by drawn porn?

And please do not drag out the tired old gag "it turns people into rapists". I have been looking at porn since the mid-1970s and have not raped anyone yet.

YET!!!!!!!!!! IT'S A MATTER OF TIME!!!!!!!!!

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

YET!!!!!!!!!! IT'S A MATTER OF TIME!!!!!!!!!

Thirty years isn't enough time to make a determination?

Well, if it's gonna happen, it better be soon, while I am still able.

 

[CSmrw]

In the arguments about morality, I never accept "god/jesus/bible don't like it" as a valid reason for something to be prohibited. I require a reason for them to be against it.

In the moral codes I have in common with christians (prohibition of murder, assault, rape, theft), the reason is obvious. One person is causing harm to another. Every time. By defintion.

Christianity has a lot of additional prohibitions that I do not think are reasonable, the bulk of which are related to sex. Some of these behaviors have the potential for harm in certain circumstances, but it can usually be avoided. Yet the behavior is prohibited across the board without regard to circumstance.

One of these prohibited behaviors is watching porn.

One of the claims made against it is that it ruins the lives of the performers, so we will skip that entire issue.

In my OP I am talking about drawn porn, i.e. porn that does not involve actual human beings. In other words, the characters in the porn are drawn by an artist or are computer generated.

What actual harm is caused by drawn porn?

And please do not drag out the tired old gag "it turns people into rapists". I have been looking at porn since the mid-1970s and have not raped anyone yet.

Thirty years isn't enough time to make a determination?

Well, if it's gonna happen, it better be soon, while I am still able.

I'll get the truck...

 

[Arnold_Philips]

Are we talking about furries? Because if so, lol @ furries.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I find it interesting that you say that you want to talk about morality, but then say that you want to talk about prohibition, as if they are the same issue.

I am also clear as to whether you mean a legal prohibition or a prohibition within Christianity.

 

[RavenPoe]

Not furries - those are real people in suits.

Drawn porn is hentai - at least in Japan where a good stash of it is there for the taking.

 

[fillerbunny]

I don't get it.. but I don't see the harm in it, if it happens to float your personal boat.

Nobody's being exploited. Nobody's being harmed. They're just cartoons.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

I find it interesting that you say that you want to talk about morality, but then say that you want to talk about prohibition, as if they are the same issue.

What is biblical morality, other than jesus saying "do this" and "don't do that"? Christians are always on crusades to ban porn and everything else in the adult industry, based on biblical morality. That is an attempt to prohibit, is it not?

I am also clear as to whether you mean a legal prohibition or a prohibition within Christianity.

I assume you meant "unclear".

I am not interested in the moral views of christians, just that they try to force these views on others via legislation. As long as they don't interfere with other people's lives, I don't care whether they think porn is moral or not.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

I don't get it.. but I don't see the harm in it, if it happens to float your personal boat.

Depends on the style. Some is cartoony, some is extremely realistic. Some you can hardly distinguish from photographs, except that the women look better than 99.999999999% percent of all living women.

Nobody's being exploited. Nobody's being harmed. They're just cartoons.

Exactly. I'm just trying to point out that the "it exploits the performers" gag is just an excuse and that many christians would want to ban drawn porn with the rest.

After all, it also creates the evil "lust".

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Not furries - those are real people in suits.

There is also what is known as "furry art", where various species of animals are drawn with human shapes, yet with their claws, hooves, tails, whatever, intact. Sort of a hybrid of human and animal.

Of course, this is not necessarily porn. Look at many cartoon characters on Disney Channel, such as Brandy Harrington of the Florida Harringtons. There are tons of fan sites with thousands of non-porn furry art.

There is furry porn (and not people in suits), but it is a tiny subset of drawn porn. Most contains human characters.

 

[jayem]

For some persons (not all, by any means) pornography of any kind can become obsessive and addictive. It can cause harm by interfering with normal relationships, and can be a financial drain. Though on the scale of harm, I'd say overall it's less damaging than similar addictions, like gambling, tobacco, or alcohol. And IMO, some idiosyncratic harm is not a compelling reason for government to criminalize virtual porn. But we should recognize that it can be a problem for certain people.

 

[MoonlessNight]

What is biblical morality, other than jesus saying "do this" and "don't do that"? Christians are always on crusades to ban porn and everything else in the adult industry, based on biblical morality. That is an attempt to prohibit, is it not?

I assume you meant "unclear".

I am not interested in the moral views of christians, just that they try to force these views on others via legislation. As long as they don't interfere with other people's lives, I don't care whether they think porn is moral or not.

Alright then. I was hopeful that this would have been an actual discussion of morality, but I guess that's too much to hope for these days in a forum titled "ethics and morality."

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

For some persons (not all, by any means) pornography of any kind can become obsessive and addictive. It can cause harm by interfering with normal relationships, and can be a financial drain. Though on the scale of harm, I'd say overall it's less damaging than similar addictions, like gambling, tobacco, or alcohol. And IMO, some idiosyncratic harm is not a compelling reason for government to criminalize virtual porn. But we should recognize that it can be a problem for certain people.

Sure it can. All of these things have the potential to cause problems. Unfortunately, the jesus "solution" is to prohibit them outright, even for those who do not have problems.

If jesus had said "no excessive alcohol or drunk driving" or "no unmarried sex without protection from pregnancy and disease" or "no lust that you cannot control", I wouldn't have issues with him.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Alright then. I was hopeful that this would have been an actual discussion of morality, but I guess that's too much to hope for these days in a forum titled "ethics and morality."

As part of his moral package, jesus commanded people not to do many things. In the case of unmarried sex and porn and pretty much everything else related to sex, I want to know the reason behind it, what "problem" is being solved.

Sounds like a discussion of morality to me.

 

[skullcrush]

It can cause harm by interfering with normal relationships, and can be a financial drain.

Not if you borrow your buddy's stash of porn

 

[xMinionX]

Furries are that underclass of geekdom. I'm sorry, but you don't get much lower than a furry.

As for porn? I have no problem with it. As they say, 'Whatever floats your boat!'

 

[TricksterWolf]

In the arguments about morality, I never accept "god/jesus/bible don't like it" as a valid reason for something to be prohibited. I require a reason for them to be against it.

In the moral codes I have in common with christians (prohibition of murder, assault, rape, theft), the reason is obvious. One person is causing harm to another. Every time. By defintion.

Christianity has a lot of additional prohibitions that I do not think are reasonable, the bulk of which are related to sex. Some of these behaviors have the potential for harm in certain circumstances, but it can usually be avoided. Yet the behavior is prohibited across the board without regard to circumstance.

One of these prohibited behaviors is watching porn.

One of the claims made against it is that it ruins the lives of the performers, so we will skip that entire issue.

In my OP I am talking about drawn porn, i.e. porn that does not involve actual human beings. In other words, the characters in the porn are drawn by an artist or are computer generated.

What actual harm is caused by drawn porn?

And please do not drag out the tired old gag "it turns people into rapists". I have been looking at porn since the mid-1970s and have not raped anyone yet.

I don't see a problem with either drawn or photographed/filmed porn. I'm a high N on the Myers-Briggs, so I'm more into drawings than photos anyway.

I would object to actual photographed/filmed child porn, or anything that involves a real crime like murder, but that's about it. Anything else is a go. And anything drawn whatsoever is fair game.

Trickster

 

[TricksterWolf]

Furries are that underclass of geekdom. I'm sorry, but you don't get much lower than a furry.

As for porn? I have no problem with it. As they say, 'Whatever floats your boat!'

AHEM

I'm furry. Be kind! We're not all what you think we are.

Trickster