Dr. Dino

[IamThatHero]

What do you all think of Kent Hovind?

His videos were recommended to us by a friend and we have been downloading them and watching them off of his Dr. Dino site. His attempts at humor are pretty terrible lol, but we are finding his views on dinosaurs and the pre-flood earth to be interesting. Much of what he is saying on them has been what we've been discussing at Bible study (prior to us ever hearing of Mr. Hovind).

Anyway... I had asked this on the general science board here and well... it wasn't pretty... so, I thought I'd ask amongst other Christians...

Also... we are very interested in Creation Science. We have held to the belief that the Universe and all were created in a literal 6 days for a long time... and that the earth is young, just shy of 6000 years. If you have any sites to share other than Hovind's that share the basic views of 6 literal days and a young earth.... please share... Thanks  

 

[seebs]

I think he's a con artist. You should look at AiG, who are somewhat better, and who point out that many of the arguments Hovind uses are sufficiently obviously false that even other creationists reject them.

I do not believe that Hovind is anything like a qualified scientist, nor do I think he has any interest in begin one; I believe he's taking advantage of the number of people in the U.S. who are committed to one particular interpretation of scripture. His degree is from a diploma mill run out of a house, not an accredited institution; he has engaged in behaviors that would generally be considered academic fraud, such as altering his thesis after getting his "degree". The original is hilarious; no real university would ever have accepted that.

 

[troodon]

I have much the same opinion of Kent Hovind as the posters on your other thread on this topic. I've watched one of his seminars from his website and I was pretty offended by his statements that evolution is a creation of the devil.
I find his FAQs are often absolutely rediculous. This example's my favorite:

http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq&specific=42

It's my favorite because it takes an enormous problem for the global flood (biogeography), simplifies it to only talk about kangaroos, and then provides answers that are not only silly but also create all new problems. Some of his answers in this FAQ aren't even answers, they're just posted (it seems) to make people think he answered when he just cited meaningless rubbish.

If you're interested, since I brought it up, the regular Evolution/Creationism board has a good thread on biogeography:

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/40474.html

 

[Jon]

I thought that Kent Hovinds Videos weren't too bad but he confuses evoultion and atheism a bit.

 

[seebs]

They're pretty bad if you compare them to real science in the fields; the man is an amazing fast-talker, but he doesn't understand the science at all.

 

[Jon]

They're pretty bad if you compare them to real science in the fields; the man is an amazing fast-talker, but he doesn't understand the science at all

I wouldn't say that.
I while back I asked a question "Is there any flaws in Dr. Dino's Scince, if so what are they?" and nobody could tell me any.

( http://www.christianforums.com/threads/38507.html )

 

[seebs]

I didn't see that thread, but I'd say people told you a fair number of flaws in his "science". The most telling is this:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp

That's AiG, a creationist site, listing arguments that shouldn't be used - many of them Kent Hovind's.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/1011hovind.asp

That's them responding to Hovind attacking their list of debunked arguments.

So, whatever Hovind believes, AiG thinks his science is bunk. And AiG themselves are YEC.

Mostly, though, the underlying flaw is that Hovind doesn't do science, he repeats various stories and tries to pass them off as science. He doesn't use anything similar to the scientific method.

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 12:08 AM IamThatHero said this in Post #1

What do you all think of Kent Hovind? 

Dr Dino is a Baptist who likes to be associated with people like Bob Jones. I can not say I go along with all of their beliefs, but I think he does a good job of presenting them and defending them.

I come out of more of a pentacostal tradition and believe more along those lines, than I do the Baptist beliefs. But I would not go so far as to say they are not christians, and I do not think they would go so far as to say pentacostals are not christians.

Baptists and Pentacostals do tend to have fundamentalism in common though. They basicly agree on the fundamentals.

 

[wblastyn]

I wouldn't say that

Have you compared his "science" to real science?

see here http://www.christianforums.com/threads/42578.html

 

[Hector Medina]

IamThatHero,

I believe Kent Hovind is a very good creation scientist.

His political points of view aren't worth listening to though.

Answers in Genesis and Drdino aren't the only creationists who have differences,many of them do.

I also like:

www.icr.org

www.creationministries.org

www.citizensoldier.com


God Bless,

Hector

 

[wblastyn]

The only reason you think they'r good is because they tell you what you want to hear. Their science has been shown to be wrong here many times. When are you just going to accept that they've been lying to you?

 

[Jon]

The only reason you think they'r good is because they tell you what you want to hear.

The Only reason you belive in evoultionist is because they tell you want you want to hear

 

[wblastyn]

The Only reason you belive in evoultionist is because they tell you want you want to hear

Wrong. See unlike you, my beliefs do not rest on how God created. I don't care if evolution is falsified and creationism is validated, it makes no difference to me. You on the other hand depend on creationism being true because you equate it with Christianity and evolution with atheism, therefore you want creationism to be true otherwise your beliefs will be destroyed. They shouldn't, but it's your own fault for equating evolution with atheism.  Therefore you only listen to what you want to hear in fear of your beliefs being challenged.

I accept evolution because that is what all the evidence points towards, not because I want it to be true.  Science isn't about what we want or don't what, it's about what is.

Tell me, why do you think I would want evolution to be true?

 

[Meatros]

The Only reason you belive in evoultionist is because they tell you want you want to hear

Actually, the reason most people accept evolution is because their is evidence of it, and it makes sense. A literal Genesis just doesn't make sense, if you do a careful read through. In addition, evolution doesn't go against God, so there is no reason to dogmatically accept what the creationists are shoveling.

I find that Hovind and his ilk are bad Christians on a number of levels. He's misrepresenting himself ("dr" indeed) and in my opinion, he's FLAT OUT LIEING, how can a Christian truly expect to lead people towards God's word, if they are lieing?

It's a shame that the Creationist propoganda is so influencial. In the end, it will turn many away from Christ and not towards him, once the people realize that both YEC/ID are lies. It saddens me and I pray a lot about the denial of these clearly mislead Christians.

 

[JohnR7]

Wrong. See unlike you, my beliefs do not rest on how God created. I don't care if evolution is falsified and creationism is validated, it makes no difference to me.

Then what if it turns out that neither one of them represents the truth of God. What if you had to go direct to God to learn the truth. What would you do then?

 

[wblastyn]

Then what if it turns out that neither one of them represents the truth of God. What if you had to go direct to God to learn the truth. What would you do then?

I'd have to wait until I was dead then.

Btw, I said before I wouldn't care if creationism was validated, which is true, I don't care, however since it is a falsified scientific theory it never will be validated.

 

[Sinai]

As long as charlatans continue to post their often refuted and bogus arguments on their web pages, there will probably be well meaning but gullible persons who will cut and paste those arguments here.

Folks, evolution is neither the atheistic or satanic threat to the Bible that the YECcies seem to fear, nor the slam-dunk scientific answer that their opponents sometimes assert. It is a scientific theory that has received widespread acceptance.

It is not likely the bogus arguments of "Dr. Dino" will have much effect except on the pocketbooks of those who purchase his materials. In my humble opinion, if you really wanted to attack the theory of evolution at the point where it might possibly be vulnerable, you would need to go in an entirely different direction from the one being used by the YECs....

 

[Jet Black]

the likes of hovind are a bigger threat to christianity than any scientist ever will be. People will associate the fallibility of hovind's arguments with the religion itself, discrediting God and losing believers. Scientists will always tell you that science has nothing to say on God, letting people believe as they like.

 

[Vance]

The only good thing Answers in Genesis has ever done is show Hovind for the fraud that he is.

I mean really, if AIG (the strongest Creation Science operation going) can see through him, I can't imagine why nobody else can. When they denounced him, I was actually momentarily fond of those guys.

 

[Korymajor]

Hello, I was wondering if anyone happened to have the material that Mr. Hovind uses in his seminars, IE. Powerpoint slides avaliable on the internet? Thank you for your time

Kory