Douglas canwright: True or False

[jonno]

Anybody read any stuff by D. Canwright...If so, comments?

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

jonno]Douglas canwright: True or False

Want me to tell you a secret... TRUE

 

[Cliff2]

Anybody read any stuff by D. Canwright...If so, comments?

Can you give us a link so we can check what he has suposed to have said.

 

[jonno]

Can you give us a link so we can check what he has suposed to have said.

Here you are
http://www.memoware.com/?screen=doc_detail&doc_id=10765&p=contributor_id%5E!9786~!
Eye popping stuff!

 

[OntheDL]

Anybody read any stuff by D. Canwright...If so, comments?

I think you are talking about Dudley Canright. He was an elder lived about 100 years ago. He was adventist for awhile. He waivered back and forth with his believes and was eventually disassociated for trying to destroy the church.

Here's a link on Canright.
http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/Canright.html

 

[OntheDL]

Want me to tell you a secret... TRUE

That wasn't much of secret from you, was it?

How about what D. Canright wrote in R&H 1877? Was it true and false?

“As to the Christian character of Sr. White, I beg leave to say that I think I know something about it. I have been acquainted with Sr. White for eighteen years, more than half the history of our people. I have been in their family time and again, sometimes weeks at a time. They have been in our house and family many time. I have traveled with them almost everywhere; have been with them in private and in public, in meeting and out of meeting, . . .

I know Sr. White to be an unassuming, modest, kind-hearted, noble woman. These traits in her character are not simply put on and cultivated, but they spring gracefully and easily from her natural disposition. She is not self-conceited, self-righteous, and self-important, as fanatics always are. . . .
I have found Sr. White the reverse of all this. Any one, the poorest and the humblest, can go to her freely for advice and comfort without being repulsed. She is ever looking after the needy, the destitute, and the suffering, providing for them, and pleading their case. I have never formed an acquaintance with any persons who so constantly have the fear of God before them. Nothing is undertaken without earnest prayer to God. . .
I have read all her testimonies through and through, . . .I have never been able to find one immoral sentence in the whole of them, or anything that is not strictly pure and Christian: nothing that leads away from the Bible, or from Christ; but there I find the most earnest appeals to obey God, to love Jesus, to believe the Scriptures and to search them constantly. . . . Dudley Canright April 26, 1877 Review and Herald.

And did you know Canright was among the chief mourner at Ellen White funeral?

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

That wasn't much of secret from you, was it?

LOL!!

How about what D. Canright wrote in R&H 1877? Was it true and false?

It was true but later on he found her teachings lacking scriptural support!!

And did you know Canright was among the chief mourner at Ellen White funeral?

Yes he should have been since he was contemporary with Ellen White and he believed all of her doctrines at one point in his life plus the fact that he knew she was in error did not give him the rights to hate her...

 

[OntheDL]

LOL!!

It was true but later on he found her teachings lacking scriptural support!!


Yes he should have been since he was contemporary with Ellen White and he believed all of her doctrines at one point in his life plus the fact that he knew she was in error did not give him the rights to hate her...

You missed the point again. The contrast is what he wrote about Ellen White as a person. Later on, he not only attacked her writings, he also attacked her character.

What we see is a very inconsistant person. Canright attacked the church then recanted. He went back and forthI think 4 times before he finally left the church and went to the baptist church.

Have you done your homework and read his books?

Notice this, he also renounced sabbath-keeping in his book "Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" (chapters 9-16 out of entire 22 chapters). He advocated Sunday-keeping, defended papacy's position and gave the arguements of Greek sabbaton in Col 2:16. I'm guessing that's where you learned about it.

Wouldn't you admit that wasn't a case of finding the truth but was a case of falling into apostasy?

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

You missed the point again. The contrast is what he wrote about Ellen White as a person. Later on, he not only attacked her writings, he also attacked her character.

He attacked her writing because they lacked scriptural support... About attacking her chracter i would admite if he did that he was wrong.

What we see is a very inconsistant person. Canright attacked the church then recanted. He went back and forthI think 4 times before he finally left the church and went to the baptist church.

Perhaps he was but that is not for you to judge, he was being mislead by Ellen Whites teachings and perhaps it was very hard for him to let go of some long cherished belifes, till he made a decision perhaps to trust in Yeshua and him alone for Salvation ..

Have you done your homework and read his books?

No!! If you say so i don't know LOL!!

Notice this, he also renounced sabbath-keeping in his book "Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" (chapters 9-16 out of entire 22 chapters). He advocated Sunday-keeping, defended papacy's position and gave the arguements of Greek sabbaton in Col 2:16. I'm guessing that's where you learned about it.

Well., that is an unwarranted assumption and an empty accusal if i may add.. as we have seen before i got it from James Strong a respected Scholar of the orginal languages.. If Canright defended the position in [Col 2:16] he was right, since he considered the Sabbath to be abolished at the cross which i am aware of, is exactely where he erred...Fact is Col Chapter 2 never mentions the Greek word "Nomos" For LAW so in that sense he was wrong..

Wouldn't you admit that wasn't a case of finding the truth but was a case of falling into apostasy?

No, i don't think it was a case of apostasy, i think it was a matter of whether accepting scripture as his authority as opposed to accepting Mrs White ignorance of the originall languages!!

 

[OntheDL]

He attacked her writing because they lacked scriptural support... About attacking her chracter i would admite if he did that he was wrong.

Perhaps he was but that is not for you to judge, he was being mislead by Ellen Whites teachings and perhaps it was very hard for him to let go of some long cherished belifes, till he made a decision perhaps to trust in Yeshua and him alone for Salvation ..

No!! If you say so i don't know LOL!!

Well., that is an unwarranted assumption and an empty accusal if i may add.. as we have seen before i got it from James Strong a respected Scholar of the orginal languages.. If Canright defended the position in [Col 2:16] he was right, since he considered the Sabbath to be abolished at the cross which i am aware of, is exactely where he erred...Fact is Col Chapter 2 never mentions the Greek word "Nomos" For LAW so in that sense he was wrong..

No, i don't think it was a case of apostasy, i think it was a matter of whether accepting scripture as his authority as opposed to accepting Mrs White ignorance of the originall languages!!

Way to avoid the questions even when the plain facts are presented!

He, Canright, devoted about half of his book "Seventh-Day Adventism Renounced" to denounce our believes on sabbath and to contend all laws were abolished at the cross.

The initial question is if his writings are true or false. The logical outcome should have been 'there is serious problems with his arguments'.

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

Way to avoid the questions even when the plain facts are presented!

The question was not avoided, Cantright made mistakes and what, are you going to tell me Ellen White didn't? Ive already exposed tons of her mistakes yet alot of Adventist still accept her as an inspired prophetess.

He, Canright, devoted about half of his book "Seventh-Day Adventism Renounced" to denounce our believes on sabbath and to contend all laws were abolished at the cross.

Again to me it matters little what he wrote in his books concerning the Sabbath he had a misunderstanding as do many, even Ellen White herself.

The initial question is if his writings are true or false. The logical outcome should have been 'there is serious problems with his arguments'.

Well yes, but what he says about the orginal languages is not in error and neither is alot of thing he says "concerning his relationship" with Mrs White, infact don't you think he should know her a bit better then you and i? About his arguments having problems, lets not even go there because alot of Ellen Whites argument are very questionable..

 

[DanPev]

The question was not avoided, Cantright made mistakes and what, are you going to tell me Ellen White didn't? Ive already exposed tons of her mistakes yet alot of Adventist still accept her as an inspired prophetess.

Again to me it matters little what he wrote in his books concerning the Sabbath he had a misunderstanding as do many, even Ellen White herself.

Well yes, but what he says about the orginal languages is not in error and neither is alot of thing he says "concerning his relationship" with Mrs White, infact don't you think he should know her a bit better then you and i? About his arguments having problems, lets not even go there because alot of Ellen Whites argument are very questionable..

Of course Ellen White made mistakes!!! She was human!! The one thing she did not do is contradict the Bible. It has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that she contradicted the Bible.

God did not dictate the Bible, which is why there are minor mistakes in it. God inspered both the Bible and Mrs. White. Just because her writings contain minor mistakes does not mean she was not inspired.

This is an excellent site refuting her critics www.ellen-white.com

OntheDL is right on about this. D.M. Canright went back and forth several times, and each time he turned his back on the SDA church he bitterly attacked EGW and family.
God bless Dan

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

[quote=DanPev]Of course Ellen White made mistakes!!! She was human!! The one thing she did not do is contradict the Bible. It has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that she contradicted the Bible.[/quote] We have discussed this issue on this thread... http://www.christianforums.com/t2561679-did-william-miller-have-strong-mental-powers.html&page=1
and it has been shown that she indeed contradicted the bible!!

God did not dictate the Bible, which is why there are minor mistakes in it. God inspered both the Bible and Mrs. White. Just because her writings contain minor mistakes does not mean she was not inspired.

Her writings contain more then just minor mistakes, try and answere some of our arguments in thread does Miller hve strong mental powers.. but answere them over here on this thread.

This is an excellent site refuting her critics www.ellen-white.com

there are hundreds of these sites out there the ones that support her writings and others that are critical of her writings, i believe her writings speak for themself.

OntheDL is right on about this. D.M. Canright went back and forth several times, and each time he turned his back on the SDA church he bitterly attacked EGW and family.

God bless Dan

But Dan, was it Ok for Ellen White to bash on others because they didn't agree with William Millers false prophecy of the second comming of Yeshua' and wrong for D.M. Canwright to become critical of her teachings'. If he did indeed attack Ellen G.W character as OntheDL pointed out, then i would say that they were both wrong and not one right and the other wrong.

God bless you to.

 

[OntheDL]

[quote=DanPev]Of course Ellen White made mistakes!!! She was human!! The one thing she did not do is contradict the Bible. It has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that she contradicted the Bible. We have discussed this issue on this thread... http://www.christianforums.com/t2561679-did-william-miller-have-strong-mental-powers.html&page=1
and it has been shown that she indeed contradicted the bible!!

Her writings contain more then just minor mistakes, try and answere some of our arguments in thread does Miller hve strong mental powers.. but answere them over here on this thread.

there are hundreds of these sites out there the ones that support her writings and others that are critical of her writings, i believe her writings speak for themself.

But Dan, was it Ok for Ellen White to bash on others because they didn't agree with William Millers false prophecy of the second comming of Yeshua' and wrong for D.M. Canwright to become critical of her teachings'. If he did indeed attack Ellen G.W character as OntheDL pointed out, then i would say that they were both wrong and not one right and the other wrong.

God bless you to.

The thread on William Miller proved nothing on Ellen White.

Ellen White never said Miller didn't make a mistake on the interpretation. And she never blame God for the disappointment. If you would just read the next sentence, what she wrote would be clear to everyone.

One again, like a horse on blinders, you can not hear any reasonings and miss the point--again.

The point is that William Miller started world wide religious revival. He proclaimed the first angels message. This Ellen White supported him. Afterward, she pointed out his error and explained the method of God dealing with His people. Go back and read the whole writing.

Lastly, need I remind you the thread on William Miller was closed by you violating the forum rules and calling us a cult and worship Baal? I hope you have some respect for other's believes this time.

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

Lastly, need I remind you the thread on William Miller was closed by you violating the forum rules and calling us a cult and worship Baal? I hope you have some respect for other's believes this time.

My friend, either try to at least keep track of the discussion, or alternately (if you actually were paying attention to someone besides yourself and did this purposely).... Try at least to quote exactly what the person said and not presume that the person said something he obviously did not say...It's either a very dishonest and/or sloppy and transparent technique, to use in place of presenting an argument.

calling us a cult and worship Baal?

Yeshua My Salvation > The above are not my words as OntheDL has attempted and/or blundered, either way - unsucessfully to portray them.....

 

[OntheDL]

n]Yeshua My Salvation > The above are not my words as OntheDL has attempted and/or blundered, either way - unsucessfully to portray them.....[/COLOR]

Yeshua My Salvation > If we are to use Ellen Whites reasoning then we most conclude that God's prophets work alot like "Baals prophets" being decieved by there God. As the children of Baal whom suffered disapointment and were "decieved by there god Baal". So did God's children suffere great disapointment when there prohecies failed in 1843 and 1844.... If she would have said it like that, then at least she would be saying the truth plus she would have won my approval for her honesty.... But the truth is that she did everything in her power to cloud all of there errors by that i mean William Miller as well....

Now did you or did you not compare Ellen White to the prophet of Baal by our reasoning and compare our 1844 disappointment to the disappointment of Baal worshippers?

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

n]Yeshua My Salvation > The above are not my words as OntheDL has attempted and/or blundered, either way - unsucessfully to portray them.....[/color]

Yeshua My Salvation > If we are to use Ellen Whites reasoning then we most conclude that God's prophets work alot like "Baals prophets" being decieved by there God. As the children of Baal whom suffered disapointment and were "decieved by there god Baal". So did God's children suffere great disapointment when there prohecies failed in 1843 and 1844.... If she would have said it like that, then at least she would be saying the truth plus she would have won my approval for her honesty.... But the truth is that she did everything in her power to cloud all of there errors by that i mean William Miller as well....

Now did you or did you not compare Ellen White to the prophet of Baal by our reasoning and compare our 1844 disappointment to the disappointment of Baal worshippers?

As far as the prophets of Baal statement, it was not directed at anyone in particular other then William Miller and White, White for endorsing and Miller for inventing the date. The fact that you mentioned me as saying that Adventist worship Baal, is completely fabricated as well as accusing me of saying that there a cult.
As far as the date i'm allowed to question her writings if they don't gel with scripture... And her defence of William Miller and her opposition to others that rejected Millers ilogical methods of interpretations really leads me to question her supposed inspiration.. As far as me comparing Ellen White to the prophets of baal is also fabricated, i said 'if we are to use her reasoning we must then conclude' i did not say otherwise... I see that your strategy is to invent strawmen to avoid addressng the actuall point.... [Please lets keep it friendly and do things in the right spirit].. I have not accused you nor anyone of saying things which they haven't said, i espect to recieve the same treatment from others as well.

 

[DanPev]

there are hundreds of these sites out there the ones that support her writings and others that are critical of her writings, i believe her writings speak for themself.
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This site was not made to support her writings!! This site is specifically for looking at the accusations made against Mrs. White. It takes a closer look at all her supposed contradictions. Ill take a look at that link.

Dan

 

[DanPev]

It seems to me from reading that thread and others, that the accusations against ellen white are based on isolated statements. I believe that to understand what she is trying to say one must read the context. See everything she says on the subject not just one or two quotations.

YMS, in that thread you gave me some people came to a conclusion based on only one statement! I'm surprised at the lengths her critics go to discredit Mrs. White. Sometimes they remind me of the people that attack the Bible on super superficial grounds.

However I'm glad that God leads all the willing to the truth. I'm glad it's not my job to convince anyone.

God bless, Dan

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

YMS, in that thread you gave me some people came to a conclusion based on only one statement!

My friend Dan.. Give me an explanation as to why you think people are taking her writings out of context. As far as i know everything that is quoted from her writings is very much in context, we have quoted pages from her books so nothing has been taken out of context. No one has falsely accused Mrs.White of anything, nor has anyone reached false conclusions that were built upon isolated statements.

I'm surprised at the lengths her critics go to discredit Mrs. White. Sometimes they remind me of the people that attack the Bible on superficial grounds.

Discrediting nonsensical, unscripturally supported, illogical interpretations - and/or statements of Mrs.White is not the same as attacking the bible.. To reject certain statements that she made that are compromising to the gospel, is to defend scripture not to reject it.

However I'm glad that God leads all the willing to the truth. I'm glad it's not my job to convince anyone.

God bless, Dan

Neither is it mine.. And all the willing will hear the truth, that can only be found in the Messiah Yeshua.

God bless you.

In Messiah,

Ralph.