Doug Batchelor Defends

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Crimson, I agree. I really love David Asschericks sermons as well. God has given our church some very talented and spirit filled men and I for one appreciate them very much.

You're the first Asscherick fan (if you can call it that) I've met! You know, he actually inspired a fire in me that is drawing me into some kind of evangelism. If I cannot go to CUC I'll probably be going to his ARISE Institute for evangelism within the next couple years. I had wanted to be there this fall, but things prevented it.

 

[honorthesabbath]

You're the first Asscherick fan (if you can call it that) I've met! You know, he actually inspired a fire in me that is drawing me into some kind of evangelism. If I cannot go to CUC I'll probably be going to his ARISE Institute for evangelism within the next couple years. I had wanted to be there this fall, but things prevented it.

OH REALLY? wow

I was hooked on Davids talent from the first time I saw him. He's a little nerdy-lol-but his mind is outstanding.

To see where David came from to whre he is now is truly amazing. What a testimony he has to the power of God enabling us to overcome ANY sin. It's marvelous.

 

[NightEternal]

Ya know Night, when I was a kid, my Mom used to tell us that if we couldn't say something nice about someone or something, then it was best to say nothing at all. Did your Mom ever tell you that?

This thread wasn't intended for crude remarks against Doug Batchelor or Joe Crews. I find it very rude that you would attack these men as you did and especially since one is dead.

If you felt that this announcement held no interest for you, then why didn't you just pass by without comment?

Honor, go back and read the post again please. Nowhere did I attack the men personally and you should know better than to try and make it look that way. I attacked a certain aspect of thier theology and the content of thier doctrine. I shouldn't have to point this out, as even a cursory reading of my post bears this out.

I happen to think that Batchelor is a nice, gregarious fellow. But I take issue with some of his theology, period.

As for Crews, his books nearly destroyed my Adventist experience and spiritually abused me in ways you will never understand. Dead or not, I will call his putrid salvation theology for what it is.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

OH REALLY? wow

I was hooked on Davids talent from the first time I saw him. He's a little nerdy-lol-but his mind is outstanding.

To see where David came from to whre he is now is truly amazing. What a testimony he has to the power of God enabling us to overcome ANY sin. It's marvelous.

Oh, I completely agree! He has a great testimony. And yes, he does look a little nerdy. *lol*! He's got a great enthusiasm, though. Some of his stories have really made me laugh!

 

[thecountrydoc]

If you will click on the link www.07revive.com you will find a much more detailed discription of this series. This series is not like anyother I've heard Doug Batchlor give.


The actual name for the series is:

HERE WE STAND
Foundations of Our Faith​

If anyone would like to record the live streaming video directly to their computer here is a link for a free download from SDP (Streaming Download Projet):
www.ppona.com The program is free. When you down the program you should also download the the instruction manuel and print it out for ready refference.​

Respectfully,
Doc​

 

[Adventist Dissident]

it won't be of much value, in changing any one s mind, because you can't hear a response. It will be preaching to the choir. If they really wanted to defend the SDA church and it's teaching they would invite Ratzlaff , Desmond Ford, Mark Martin, Derek Anderson, Ronald Numbers or others to a debate and kick the stuffing out of them. the fact that they won't do that is proof that there postition can not be defended

 

[OntheDL]

Hey now, I'm personally offended! What do you have against the nerds???

Yeah, I heard some David Asscherick's sermons. I thought they were excellent. Why can't more of our ministers be like that?

An elder (young guy) from my church is going to his evangelism school next year. From what I heard from him, they have some great cireculums.

 

[DarylFawcett]

David Asscherick is scheduled to be one of our speakers at our next year's campmeeting.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I saw Asscherik when he was just getting started and he was a little "choppy". I'm sure he's improved with experience and the message he was conveying was really outstanding.

I'd like to see some of his recent work.

I'm still a big Leo Schreven fan. I like people that talk fast and get right to the point I guess.

My speakers are fine Doc, it's the sound card that bit the bullet. It's going to take some technical stuff that I just don't know how to do.

I'm hoping our church records the seminar so I can get copies to watch on my dvd player. Otherwise I won't get to see it.

 

[Mankin]

Sounds like a good way to indoctrinate traditional ideas. Like Night said, I think I'll pass. I don't have anything against Doug Batchler, he is just too conservative for my taste. Especially when he tried to say that Christian rap is the same as Christian porn

 

[Mankin]

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Matthew 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.​

Which is stronger in your life: God or your besetting sin? Shouldn't it be God?​

In the context of the verse, Jesus was talking about being perfect in the sense of loving your enemies. But I do not wish to derail this thread with an argument on the perfection theology.
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[JonMiller]

I think that Doug Batchelor is fine... I disagree with him on points though.

I might watch some of this.

JM

 

[TrustAndObey]

I really like Doug.

Was it Billy Graham that said Adventists didn't believe in punishment for sin and that we didn't believe in hell?

Then he said that we believe if you don't keep the Sabbath we think you're going straight to hell.

I thought Doug did an EXCELLENT job of refuting what Graham (I think it was Graham anyway) said about our church, in a very Christian way.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

If you will click on the link www.07revive.com you will find a much more detailed discription of this series. This series is not like anyother I've heard Doug Batchlor give.


The actual name for the series is:

HERE WE STAND
Foundations of Our Faith​

If anyone would like to record the live streaming video directly to their computer here is a link for a free download from SDP (Streaming Download Projet):
www.ppona.com The program is free. When you down the program you should also download the the instruction manuel and print it out for ready refference.​

Respectfully,

Doc​

I downloaded one of those awhile back. They're really handy although the file size is HUGE if you're recording an hour of something.

Problem still lies in the fact that even THAT will buffer, though.

Hey now, I'm personally offended! What do you have against the nerds???

Yeah, I heard some David Asscherick's sermons. I thought they were excellent. Why can't more of our ministers be like that?

An elder (young guy) from my church is going to his evangelism school next year. From what I heard from him, they have some great cireculums.

Nothing against the nerds here. Some of the nicest people I've known.

That's where I wanted to go. They seemed awesome when I checked it out, and the price wasn't bad I must admit. Although I couldn't believe the rules for attending in how you must live, dress, and what you can bring. I didn't realize they'd be so strict.

Don't get me wrong..I think it sounds like heaven to experience that kind of lifestyle..which would be far from anything I've tried.

David Asscherick is scheduled to be one of our speakers at our next year's campmeeting.

You're so lucky. I'd love to see him speak. We've got some It Is Written seminars in my city next month, but I don't think I'll be able to make it.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Honor, go back and read the post again please. Nowhere did I attack the men personally and you should know better than to try and make it look that way. I attacked a certain aspect of thier theology and the content of thier doctrine. I shouldn't have to point this out, as even a cursory reading of my post bears this out.

I happen to think that Batchelor is a nice, gregarious fellow. But I take issue with some of his theology, period.

As for Crews, his books nearly destroyed my Adventist experience and spiritually abused me in ways you will never understand. Dead or not, I will call his putrid salvation theology for what it is.

I always get the biggest kick from you when you try to detach the person from their beliefs. Night--this is IMPOSSIBLE to do. Our characters are made up of what we believe. Belief shapes our destiny. You think you can get away with insulting ppl by saying you are only criticizing their beliefs--good grief man. It's like to I told you in another thread, the BRAIN GRAY MATTER IS that person. How can you even attempt to try to separate that? You can't--period.

So sweetie--you can stop trying to do that old song and dance with me because I really do have your number and your excuses for bashing ppl under the radar are very obvious to the keen eye.

As a said, if you don't agree with something--thats fine. But can you ever disagree nicely? I doubt it.

(Now go ahead and report me for this post , I'm getting used to it by the offshoots).

 

[NightEternal]

I always get the biggest kick from you when you try to detach the person from their beliefs. Night--this is IMPOSSIBLE to do.

Interesting. Especially since myself and others here seem to be able to do this just fine. In fact, I have never, in all my years of theological discourse, had any problems doing this and making this deliniation.

It IS possible. It has and is being done by many. If you are not able, that is your problem. But don't say it is impossible, because it has been shown countless times that it is. Or have you not been to a live college debate meeting? Funny how the opposing teams are able to shake hands after arguing over the issues.

Our characters are made up of what we believe. Belief shapes our destiny.

Speak for yourself. My personal identity is not woven into the very fabric of my theology, and I never take it personally if people attack my doctrine. I can seperate myself from it easily. Since I am willing to re-evaluate and change , if necessary, my beliefs, it can be no other way. I guess this goes a long way in explaining the rigid, straight-jacket mindset of some TSDA's.

NOTE TO THE GENERALIZING POLICE: I said SOME not all TSDA's.

You think you can get away with insulting ppl by saying you are only criticizing their beliefs--good grief man. It's like to I told you in another thread, the BRAIN GRAY MATTER IS that person. How can you even attempt to try to separate that? You can't--period.

Yes, you can. It is done all the time. I haven't met or known Batchelor or Crews personally, so how in the world can I make personal attacks?! That doesn't even make sense! I told you I think Batchelor is a friendly, nice guy. That doesn't man I have to believe some of his theology is friendly or nice.

So sweetie--you can stop trying to do that old song and dance with me because I really do have your number and your excuses for bashing ppl under the radar are very obvious to the keen eye.

It's becoming quite apparent you have no such number and are merely casting false accusations against me. You can say I am 'bashing people' all you want. It doesn't make it even remotely true. I do nothing 'under the radar'. Your paranoid delusions don't make any of it true.

As a said, if you don't agree with something--thats fine. But can you ever disagree nicely? I doubt it.

Why should I be nice about theology that has discouraged and poisoned the faith of hundreds of Adventists? You know nothing of my past experiences with pefection theology and you know nothing about the people I know personally (some of them family) and the many I have talked to who have left the church in despair because thier assurance of salvation was ripped from them, and they were unable to live up to the insane perfection requirements for salvation that have been foisted upon them by authors such as Crews. So I suggest you keep your inaccurate accusations to yourself.

(Now go ahead and report me for this post , I'm getting used to it by the offshoots).

Not necessary. It's obvious how off-base you are, I don't need a mod to affirm that fact for me.

 

[OntheDL]

Joe Crews and Doug Batchelor didn't claim to be inspired. So they (were)are not perfect with their publishings.

But I haven't seen anything they wrote totally out of line with the bible and the spirit of prophecy. But knowing what you believe, night, it doesn't surprise me that you detest them.

On the other hand, I personally have met more people who came looking for adventist church because of Amazing Facts works than I can count.

 

[NightEternal]

And if George Knight, Hans LaRondelle or Edward Heppenstall were to put on a series of televised meetings on thier understanding of salvation and the dangers of perfection theology, you all would be just clamoring to see and hear them I suppose?

Right. And so by that token, would it be fair of me to charge you with detesting the men instead of thier views?

There you go.

 

[OntheDL]

And if George Knight, Hans LaRondelle or Edward Heppenstall were to put on a series of televised meetings on thier understanding of salvation and the dangers of perfection theology, you all would be just clamoring to see and hear them I suppose?

Right. And so by that token, would it be fair of me to charge you with detesting the men instead of thier views?

There you go.

As for Crews, his books nearly destroyed my Adventist experience and spiritually abused me in ways you will never understand. Dead or not, I will call his putrid salvation theology for what it is.

If that's not personal, maybe you have been treated in your life very differently than I have been.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Night, if you don't like someone's posts maybe you should just skip over them?

Okay, NOW is it a little more obvious that your suggestion for US was a little hypocritical?

And OntheDL, Night doesn't agree with it so it's putrid. Haven't you figured this out yet.

Sorry Night, had to.