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The Planck era, IOW.Interesting, I didn't know that.
I only knew the normal scientific laws didn't apply for the first 10^-40 of a second (roughly) after the big bang. So no cause and effect for the creationists lol.
Putting the meaningless veiled threats to one side, you are still confronted with part b) - if you posit an exception to your 'rule' for your God, then there is no logical barrier to other exceptions being permitted.
By the way - "establish"? If your God has always been, hasn't his "kingdom" always existed? Why would it require establishing?
Establish His Kingdom on the New Earth. Yes His Kingdom has always existed but not on this or the New Earth. Read Rev 20,21.
What you mean is you refuse to believe that. Every child of God knows that.
Oh, what was he "king" of before please? 'Forever' is an awfully long time. Please don't tell us that, before this planet existed, he was just twiddling his fingers for eternity?
And you still have to answer that question - if you are demanding that your God be treated as an exception, why could not this universe also be granted one?
The type of forever his talking about has no beginning or end it's continuous
therefore it has no measurable distance as to qualify is as "long". It isn't comprehensible from beings like I and you.
My message to you revrobor is to stay away from this unfruitful discussion as Atheists have no comprehension of the timeless existence of God (Even we as Theists have nowhere near full understanding of it) and of course they're confused and therefore ask a lot of questions because they're merely looking through their naturalist eye piece.
Well, yes, that's how I understand "forever". How does this answer my question? What was your God "king" of before this planet came along?
Why are you using terms that you find incomprehensible? Does that seem like a sensible epistemology to you?
What is the harm in questioning our understandings of various concepts? Isn't this how we learn? Clear up our "confusion" and answer our questions.
I'll be blunt with you I didn't reply to you because I wanted to answer your question I simply wanted to correct your use of the word "long" and recommend that revrobor cease this particular discussion with you. I also questioned why this discussion was being held in an ethics and morality thread but I will answer your question so you may rest easy.
Your question was already indirectly answered when revrobor referred you to Revelation 20-21. If you had read this you would have known that the kingdom before earth existed was Heaven.
About you questing my epistemology all I really have to say about that is if you're referring to 'perfect understanding' then your options are rather limited as we TRULY know close to nothing as humans, admitting incomprehensibility is a good stepping stone into what you can really know not the opposite.
Also I do believe this discussion is harmful as it leads to no positive outcome for the both of us. You do not have the core axiomatic truths and core assumptions to understand.
No, they don't. Some may "believe" it on faith. But they don't "know" it. They weren't there.What you mean is you refuse to believe that. Every child of God knows that.
If that's your reply, then you haven't answered my question. Over whom or what was your God "king" before the earth and humans came along? Who was he ruling over 'forever'?
That's a rather novel approach to learning and knowledge. You know all because you understand nothing?
No discussions that improve understanding are harmful.
Oh, what was he "king" of before please? 'Forever' is an awfully long time. Please don't tell us that, before this planet existed, he was just twiddling his fingers for eternity?
And you still have to answer that question - if you are demanding that your God be treated as an exception, why could not this universe also be granted one?
No, they don't. Some may "believe" it on faith. But they don't "know" it. They weren't there.
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First, how do you know something cannot come from nothing? Please give proof if you have it. Maybe "nothing" is unstable, and if nothing exists, something has to come from it.
Second, the universe is eternal, just like your god. There was no time before the big bang.
Then the big bang, then according to science shortly after the universe was created, the normal scientific laws came into effect.
EDIT: Please see post #160. Mathematicians have proven the universe could have come from nothing.
Reading scientific papers and watching lectures on cosmology on youtube. They are very interesting.
First, how do you know something cannot come from nothing? Please give proof if you have it. Maybe "nothing" is unstable, and if nothing exists, something has to come from it.
Second, the universe is eternal, just like your god. There was no time before the big bang.
Then the big bang, then according to science shortly after the universe was created, the normal scientific laws came into effect.
EDIT: Please see post #160. Mathematicians have proven the universe could have come from nothing.
Reading scientific papers and watching lectures on cosmology on youtube. They are very interesting.
This will be my last reply to you. I said it before I'll say it again God was/is king of heaven. Heaven wasn't created.
What if I told you that from the beginning of this conservation till now you haven't learn a single thing.
I've answered the question a couple of times and won't debate it any further
as the purpose Satan has given you is to tear down Christians.
We don't know what God was doing before the creation so I can't speak to that.
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