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Let me clear this up for you.
The Law of Causality does not say that everything needs a cause. It says that everything that comes to be needs a cause. God did not come to be. No one created God. He is eternal. God did not have a beginning, so he did not need a cause.
It is not "my rule". It is a scientific Law, the Law of Cause and Effect.
Because the Law says that everything that came to be needs a cause. God did not come to be, He is eternal, so he does not need a cause.
Didn't I already say this?
Let me clear this up for you.
The Law of Causality does not say that everything needs a cause. It says that everything that comes to be needs a cause. God did not come to be. No one created God. He is eternal. God did not have a beginning, so he did not need a cause.
It is not "my rule". It is a scientific Law, the Law of Cause and Effect.
That is called Special Pleading.
If God doesn't need a cause/creator, then the universe doesn't need a cause/creator.
(bolding mine)Your kidding, right?
I just eliminated your charge of Special Pleading by clearing up the misunderstanding of the Law of Causality.
The Universe had a beginning, therefore the Universe needs a cause.
God did not have a beginning, therefore God does not need a cause.
I did not create a principle, I stated a scientific law. I did not create an exception to that law, merely explained how that law works in relation to God and the Universe.
(bolding mine)
No, I'm not kidding. I can do that too:
The universe did not have a beginning, therefore the universe does not need a cause.
There we go. Easy peasy.
EDIT: Just to let you know, according to science, normal scientific principles and laws didn't hold until after the first 10^-40 (or something like that) of a second of the big bang.
(bolding mine)
No, I'm not kidding. I can do that too:
The universe did not have a beginning, therefore the universe does not need a cause.
There we go. Easy peasy.
EDIT: Just to let you know, according to science, normal scientific principles and laws didn't hold until after the first 10^-40 (or something like that) of a second of the big bang. So the law of causation wasn't necessarily applicable initially.
If the Universe did not have a beginning then your right, it does not need a cause, but it does appear to have had a beginning.
Firstly this isn't within the scope of what I was arguing as I was simply arguing the justification for God not requiring a cause.
Secondly I will go onto say that the moment time existed in this universe the universe had a beginning because everything subject to time has a beginning like I said before this isn't a scientific principle but a logical principle it's something we can deduct. Time ALWAYS implies a start.
Lastly again I'm not here to argue the origin of the universe I was simply here to justify the answer that God doesn't require a cause as he always existed.
There was no time before the big bang, cause and effect requires time.
As I mentioned, it appears that "normal" scientific laws did not apply until some time after the big bang started, so "cause and effect" does not apply until after the universe is in existence..
So, the Universe did not need a cause.
Your kidding, right?
I just eliminated your charge of Special Pleading by clearing up the misunderstanding of the Law of Causality.
The Universe had a beginning, therefore the Universe needs a cause.
God did not have a beginning, therefore God does not need a cause.
I did not create a principle, I stated a scientific law. I did not create an exception to that law, merely explained how that law works in relation to God and the Universe.
So you are saying that the universe came into being by itself and from nothing? Remember something can not come from nothing. Talk about blind faith.
By the way, can you tell me how you know how "normal scientific laws did not apply until some time after the big bang started"?
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My understanding is that, mathematically at least, contemporary scientists have demonstrated that this is not necessarily so.
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