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Double standards with underwear

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Also, this is pretty silly. As you said, a feminist could be a man or a woman... so you could totally be talking about his girlfriend when you brought up feminists. In fact, if you weren't talking about his girlfriend, what relevance would the second paragraph even have to the conversation?

I already answered that clearly with this:

I said what a feminist would argue and indoctrinate in the minds of boys. And given the thread is about double standards between the male and female sex per gender rules and gender identity, and given feminist have an extra ordinary, near god-like, influence on the culture and minds of Americans and Europeans, I think it's relevant and fine.

The bold, colored highlights indicate I was talking about cultural influence and feminism being a socio-political force that indoctrinates boys. Catholicism, Islam, the Republican party, Feminism indoctrinates people, as ion more than one person. A single Catholic or a single feminist can only brainwash the mind of an individual. Brainwashing occurs to an individual. Indoctrination to masses of people.

Therefore, I'm saying, and was saying, feminism has indoctrinated the minds of masses of people, of numerous boys, that you are never to tell a girl or your girlfriend how to dress. Period.

Furthermore, if you look at my words in bold I mention culture that feminism has a dramatic impact on culture. Culture, American culture, Western culture is far bigger than Geforce and his girlfriend. Even Republican men militantly repeat the values feminist have pushed in American culture that: No male better tell a female or that male's girlfriend how to dress or what to wear.

Hence my question to him: Does his girlfriend tolerate him telling her how to dress?


See, this! What part of the OP's question has anything to do with beta/alpha/omega males, or women's responses to problem solving suggestions? You see a topic about gender, and it's just an excuse to pull out all of your favorite talking points about how terrible feminists are.
You made the complaint that I insinuated feminist were man-haters. Which I did not. Therefore, I responded to you telling you I said no such thing and did not insinuate such a thing. I went on to say to say that feminist do like men. They simply like alpha males I pointed out and they hold omega males in contempt.

Understand kings are alpha males. Feminism is essentially a proposition that all men on earth were kings (equals). And that no woman on earth was a queen, that all women were omegas (all women were equals, but all women were omegas). In simplistic terms, that's basically the storyline feminist have created and sold.

In the social sciences they use the terms symmetrical and asymmetrical. In terms of power structures between males and females a queen is the symmetrical of a king. A middle-class man and a middle-class woman are the symmetrical of one another. A rich woman and a poor man are asymmetrical.

To give empathy to omega females but not to omega males is culturally, socially, and morally asymmetrical.

Never has there been a time in human history in which case all men were kings. Power between men was never symmetrical, it has always been, at least since the dawn of "civilization," asymmetrical. Kings have been a minority of men, a fraction of men, betas the majority, and omegas a smaller minority than the betas but more numerous than the alphas. The same thing with women.

In this thread Geforce, in the social hierarchy of males (and females in part dictate that hierarchy), would be viewed as an omega male.

Women being cognizant of that will attempt to interrogate him (e.g., ask why he's living with his mother etc.), and problem solve for him, rather than do the symmetrical of what they do for omega females, and that is to have a big, group, feminist hug, blaming the unfairness of the world, encouraging cultural revolution, speaking about how all females are equal in beauty and greatness etc.

No, all females are not equal. They are not equal in intelligence, in physical beauty, in financial responsibility, in parenting skills, in humor, in friendship, in loyalty, in ability on X, Y, Z job.

Females are not equal in their sexual fetishes or kinks either.

I will never have any respect for feminist until they start acting like how men act towards women. Act in the symmetrical compassion, empathy, and pity party men give women no matter how objectively big of a loser X, Y, Z woman is. That woman that's about to marry Charles Manson could post on this website and both men and women will be tripping over themselves to tell her how beautiful and great she is and how she doesn't need to get a loser like Charles Manson because she's such a great catch any man in the world would be lucky to have her.

Put simply, I view--actually, I know--omega males are the most discriminated against within the two sexes. That's why women can't cross dress but men can. That's why Geforce mother and girlfriend both disprove of him wearing a female bra. Because women as a whole have greater privileges than omega males.
 
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Men sexualise womens underwear, as does advertising, and taboos in men probably relate to testosterone, dopamine arousal and cortizol based stress in a way that a woman wearing a "mans shirt" would not for a woman. You dont wanna find your work buddy posing in a glam mag.
 
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There's no culture today where men wear dresses on a regular basis. Even in Japan, kimonos are more like a robe-theyre not really like a dress.
How is a robe not like a dress?
 
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There's no culture today where men wear dresses on a regular basis. Even in Japan, kimonos are more like a robe-theyre not really like a dress.

Ever seen a kilt?
 
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It's certainly not common for me to see women wearing obviously male clothes (one of my ex's hardly ever wore feminine clothing and I dated her for 7 months), and never the other way around (at least never a bra). God's Green Earth would be a much better place if double-standards did not exist. Again, I would rather be comfortable in my underwear choice than to be forced to conform to what Man thinks is acceptable. No, I'm not gay or bisexual in any way and are only attracted to women.
 
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I already answered that clearly with this:

The bold, colored highlights indicate I was talking about cultural influence and feminism being a socio-political force that indoctrinates boys. Catholicism, Islam, the Republican party, Feminism indoctrinates people, as ion more than one person. A single Catholic or a single feminist can only brainwash the mind of an individual. Brainwashing occurs to an individual. Indoctrination to masses of people.

Therefore, I'm saying, and was saying, feminism has indoctrinated the minds of masses of people, of numerous boys, that you are never to tell a girl or your girlfriend how to dress. Period.

So why not bring up conservatism, religion, the media, or any of the other dozens of 'brainwashing' entities out there? Last I checked, 'don't be a controlling jerk when you're in a relationship' isn't a message only (or even mainly) espoused by feminists. And 'men shouldn't wear women's clothes' is a point of view much more encouraged by all the other groups you have mentioned rather than feminists.

Also, there's a world of difference between the idea that we shouldn't micro-manage our loved one's wardrobes, and the idea that a guy should love a girl even if she dresses like a crazy hobo and smells bad.

You made the complaint that I insinuated feminist were man-haters. Which I did not. Therefore, I responded to you telling you I said no such thing and did not insinuate such a thing. I went on to say to say that feminist do like men. They simply like alpha males I pointed out and they hold omega males in contempt.

Actually, my complaint was that you (and others, yours was just the most recently posted example for me to quote) will use any discussion of gender as an excuse to bring up warped caricatures of feminists, regardless of how relevant they are to the conversation at hand. It's okay. Not everyone is gifted with good reading comprehension.
 
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Also nervous to say this :blush: , but I wear a bra solely for physical comfort (and due to my primary care doctor's suggestion) and my Mom considers it a sin, solely because I'm male.
A sin? How does she figure that?
 
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I know what Deuteronomy 22:5 says about men dressing in women's clothing and vice versa, and my Mom considers any "abnormal" dressing (including underwear) a sin. Just about anything is open to interpretation, and that's why I'm praying to God for Him to allow me to hear what the right answer to this is. Maybe the voice will be heard through guilt or lack of desire, or I clearly hear Him, I don't know. I am completely comfortable wearing men's outer clothing, and show no desire to dress in women's outer clothing to deceive others.

I consider the bra(s) I wear just another article(s) of clothing. Nothing more, nothing less, and for Man to say what's right and what's wrong when anything isn't concrete is the seed of the double standard of what Man thinks is right vs. what God thinks is right (and my confusion) over this. It's even more apparent when all my friends that have hugged me either have not brought it up or couldn't care less.

Ultimately, I just want to be comfortable in my own skin and not go to Hell for it.
 
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Geforcefly1 said:
Ultimately, I just want to be comfortable in my own skin and not go to Hell for it.
You are NOT going to Hell for wearing a bra. You will go to Hell if you deny the power of God to save your soul and remake your life. Obviously a different question, entirely.

From what you say, sounds to me like you need to lose some weight and tighten up your torso muscles a bit. Just a thought. I might point out I'm a bit overweight as well. It is easier to drop weight and keep it off in one's thirties than to drop weight in one's sixties. Trust me on this.
 
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Jade, I'm not going to argue with you over this, but yeah, I will agree with you that most conservatives and especially college football players and blue collar working men would be extremely prejudiced against any man dressed in female articles of clothing. In general that is. Hairdressers not so much. Unless it's Sammy Gravanno down in Arizona (before being sent back to prison).

I know what Deuteronomy 22:5 says about men dressing in women's clothing and vice versa, and my Mom considers any "abnormal" dressing (including underwear) a sin. Just about anything is open to interpretation, and that's why I'm praying to God for Him to allow me to hear what the right answer to this is. Maybe the voice will be heard through guilt or lack of desire, or I clearly hear Him, I don't know. I am completely comfortable wearing men's outer clothing, and show no desire to dress in women's outer clothing to deceive others.

I consider the bra(s) I wear just another article(s) of clothing. Nothing more, nothing less, and for Man to say what's right and what's wrong when anything isn't concrete is the seed of the double standard of what Man thinks is right vs. what God thinks is right (and my confusion) over this. It's even more apparent when all my friends that have hugged me either have not brought it up or couldn't care less.

Ultimately, I just want to be comfortable in my own skin and not go to Hell for it.

Someone earlier in the thread suggested you go to a tailor to get a man-bra made for you. Actually, I found that such sound advice I didn't think I would comment on it because I figured you'd be like -> :idea:.

Assuming you have the financial resources for that. I can't imagine it would cost that much. A full man's custom tailored suit can on the low end cost you $1,000 I believe. And that's trousers and a jacket with pockets and lining. So, I can't imagine a man-bra would cost that much. I'm guessing not more that $200. Maybe I'm wrong. All you have to do is visit a tailor. If you're not in some rural area or tiny town.

But if you have the financial resources, transportation, and ease of access to one or more tailors, and still determined to wear women's bras, are you sure you're still not getting sexual gratification from wearing female bras?

No need to answer. The question is for yourself.

The beautiful thing about about wearing a skirt, especially if you have no underwear on, is that you are well ventilated and can hang loose in the humid summertime. The downside is if you cross over a snake traveling in the grass, and it rockets upward to bite your once pride and joy just hanging loose in the summer breeze. Now you have to be carried to the hospital with something swollen, resembling a pumpkin, and October is a long way off.

Might as well wear some bluejeans.
 
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Ever seen a kilt?


Ever seen a man-purse?


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Nervous to start this, but here I go...

Double standards are many in this world, but the one that grinds my gears the most is one of underwear. Here's how I interpret this:

Women can wear men's or women's underwear and it's 100% accepted.
Men that wear women's underwear is 100% unacceptable.
I also understand that a significant portion of men's and women's underwear are very close to or exactly the same.

Also nervous to say this :blush: , but I wear a bra solely for physical comfort (and due to my primary care doctor's suggestion) and my Mom considers it a sin, solely because I'm male.

Taking sexual gratification out of the equation, what would you think?

And I apologize in advance if I rattled any one of you.

Our society is heavily biased towards women when it comes to acceptable clothing and behaviors. Colors, fabrics, and female like behaviors are shunned.

Personally, I believe you should wear what makes you feel comfortable.
 
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I know what Deuteronomy 22:5 says about men dressing in women's clothing and vice versa, and my Mom considers any "abnormal" dressing (including underwear) a sin. Just about anything is open to interpretation, and that's why I'm praying to God for Him to allow me to hear what the right answer to this is.
But it's completely cultural. In some cultures, pants are considered men's clothing only. If I get on a plane and go to one of those places, am I suddenly sinning when I cross the border? If a man is wearing a robe in a culture where that's the norm, and he comes to the US, is he sinning?
 
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Cearbhall said:
But it's completely cultural. In some cultures, pants are considered men's clothing only. If I get on a plane and go to one of those places, am I suddenly sinning when I cross the border? If a man is wearing a robe in a culture where that's the norm, and he comes to the US, is he sinning?
Yes...it is all very cultural. To answer you question...the man in the robe would not be sinning if he wore it in the United States or anywhere else for that matter.
 
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But it's completely cultural. In some cultures, pants are considered men's clothing only. If I get on a plane and go to one of those places, am I suddenly sinning when I cross the border? If a man is wearing a robe in a culture where that's the norm, and he comes to the US, is he sinning?

What if a person disagrees with the cultural standards, and act accordingly? Are they sinning?
 
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What if a person disagrees with the cultural standards, and act accordingly? Are they sinning?

No, but they are risking becoming a social pariah.

Also, I always thought undergarments at least between men and women were different for reasons more in line with comfort than anything else. And before we get into things like thongs, I'd say certain garments are considered to be inappropriate or trashy regardless of gender.
 
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