Oldmantook
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V.19 states that our trespasses are not imputed to us. It does not state the Christ's righteousness is imputed to us. V.21 states that we might become the righteousness of God in him. Again, as I wrote earlier what does it mean to be in Him/in Christ? Belief is of course necessary so no disagreement there. But Rom 8:1-4 also states that we are required to walk according to the Spirit in order to be Christ Jesus. So both belief and obedience are necessary to be in him.I think you may have written something by mistake, Your first sentence says"I think my point was that we do not get our righteousness from Jesus; i.e. his righteousness is not imputed to us via judicial means. Rather it is our obedience and repentance which is credited to us as being made righteous. And then you say this to open the 3 paragraph: "You wrote that all of our righteousness comes from being in Christ Jesus. I agree with that so the pertinent question would be, what does it mean to be in Christ
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I will stick with just one point, hopefully, I sometimes chase rabbits and even get out of the one field as a friend told me, It;s ok to chase a rabbit but don't jump the fence into another field. Here is what I am going to answer now, your question to me; You wrote that all of our righteousness comes from being in Christ Jesus. I agree with that so the pertinent question would be, what does it mean to be in Christ Jesus? 2 Cor 5:17-21 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Having believed the gospel we confess Jesus is Lord and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. As it states in v17, this being the promise of God to all who receive Jesus become His children(John 1:12). Now v 21 God did that so we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Had God not done this, we would not have become the righteousness of God in Christ. It is just like Abraham in Gen 15:6 He believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. Faith in what God says about Jesus being our Savior makes us have His righteousness. Without Him we can do nothing. That is why I said we cannot add any more righteousness to Jesus, we have none to offer, our good deeds, or works come from Him in the power of the Holy Spirit, so where is our credit of additional righteousness and if we could add to His righteousness, would that not mean His was not sufficient? All our righteousness is as filthy rags it says in Isaiah 64:6. Our walk of obedience as shown in 1 John simply demonstrates His working in us to do of His good will, Phil 2:13. This demonstrates the believer to be in the Spirit, or that we are following His leadership in our lives. To walk in the flesh is to walk according to the flesh, that is carnal, but when we are filled with the Spirit, we are doing His will, to me that is the difference of yielding to the flesh, or walking in the Spirit. When the cup runs over, what's in the cup comes out, our actions at the moment of any action, demonstrates flesh or being filled with the Holy Spirit, good works are the Holy Spirit having His way in our life. That is why it says in Galatians if we live in the Spirit, let us walk in the Spirit Gal 5:25, also 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Notice the contrast between flesh and Spirit and what follows, and all that follows of the Spirit is given to us, we produce nothing of the Lord except we get it from the Lord, thus, we add nothing to our account for righteousness, because we lack nothing when we have the righteousness of Christ in us.
1 John 3:6 states that our practice of righteousness (obedience) makes us righteous. How could that be if there is nothing more we can do to add to Christ's righteousness imputed to us per your view? 1 John 1 states that believers can choose to either walk in darkness or the light. IF we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus cleanses our sin (1 Jn 1:7). King David in Ps 32 chose to walk in the light when he finally confessed/repented of his sin. God gives us the choice whether or not to live a repentant lifestyle. If Christ's righteousness is imputed to us then why do we need to confess sin? That is why I asked you if we still need to confess/repent when we sin since per your view there is nothing more we can add to Christ's righteousness.
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