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Dose any one else have a problem with “Christmas”?

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I do not necessarily have a problem with celebrating the nativity around the solstice, most experts agree it was probably more mid to late fall but we do not know the exact date. But why refer to it as Christmas?
This means Messiah sacrifice, and we all know exactly when that was, Aviv 14.
Of course Catholics also see transubstantiation as mass, but celebrate that 365 days a year. So why refer to the 25th of December as Christmas?
 

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No problem here!

Of course, most of us realize that the Dec 25th isi not
THE date, but what does that matter?

Praise God for sending us Hs Son!
Very true. Some people have birthday parties on days other than that of their real birthday, due to scheduling conflicts. Does that mean you cannot celebrate something on another day? lol
 
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I used to be one of those "touch not, taste not" Pharisees who avoided Christmas. We even taught our kids that it was "pagan" and that Santa Claus was the "Christmas monster." What utter nonsense!

I was taught that Jeremiah 10 bans Xmas trees as pagan. Yet, any theologian will tell you that is reading our trees backwards into history, and that the context is clearly talking about decorating idols carved from trees. To me the Xmas tree now has more to do with symbolizing the tree of life than any later pagan symbol in history.

I was taught that Santa Claus is all wrong, yet was ignorant of the real Saint Nicholas, who lived around 400 or so I think, and was famous for giving to the needy. I celebrate such an individual, and gladly dress up in a Santa Claus costume. However, I tell my grandkids the REAL story, not some silly North Pole fiction.

I was also taught that we don't give to Jesus at Xmas, but selfishly to each other. That's also idiocy, because Jesus taught that what we do for each other, we do for him.

I was taught that the Catholic Church was the Great harlot of Babylon and the Christ's Mass was pagan, because of it. But that is stupid arrogant bigotry. Mass comes from the word dis-miss, or miss-al, and has been the end of communion in the Christian Church long before Protestantism was even thought of. In fact, we all in the west descend from that much maligned Catholic Church.

Then, when I started keeping Xmas, I ran into Xmas Pharisees too. Some told me not to X Christ out of Christmas, by spelling it Xmas. So, I looked that one up too in my handy dandy internet machine, and guess what? X is the first letter of Christ's name in Greek. It is an abbreviation for Christ. It does not X Christ out of Christmas at all, but is a legitimate abbreviation.

Whew! So, now I'm a Xmas junkie. I love it all! Even the much maligned commercialism. Why? Think about it! Xmas was introduced to Christianity around 300 AD or so as an evangelistic outreach. Times haven't changed! It's commercialism attracts everybody, even in non-Christian Japan, and in the midst of that commercialism, the Gospel is being sung.

Yes, Xmas is not commanded in the NT. It is an option, but I love it. I love every bit of it. What a fantastic opportunity to show that we Christians are not up-tight, stiff-necked, narrow-minded, judgmental little prigs, but we can actually have a good time celebrating the most important birth in the history of our planet!
 
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I do not necessarily have a problem with celebrating the nativity around the solstice, most experts agree it was probably more mid to late fall but we do not know the exact date. But why refer to it as Christmas?
This means Messiah sacrifice, and we all know exactly when that was, Aviv 14.
Of course Catholics also see transubstantiation as mass, but celebrate that 365 days a year. So why refer to the 25th of December as Christmas?

I agree.
I just haven't been able to come up with alternative ideas, so we have a festive celebration as if it were Jesus' birthday.

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The only problem I have with the day is the vile commercialism, greed, expectation, and materialistic orgy that accompany it.

We stopped giving gifts a few years back and it has taken me from Grinch to Charlie Brown….

There is nothing wrong with exchanging gifts-if it is kept in prespective. But as you note, Jesus is the Reason for the season!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pn10FF-FQfs

Rich
 
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my favorite essay defending the non-observance of Christmas by Christians is at:
THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE OF WORSHIP AND CHRISTMAS
by Brian Schwertley
Contents

Introduction


The Regulative Principle of Worship
The Regulative Principle of Scripture - Sola Scriptura
The Regulative Principle of Worship

The Circumstances of Worship
The Unacceptable Offering
Strange Fire
David and His Men's Error
Autonomous Worship Condemned
Vain Worship
Other Examples
Why the Regulative Principle is Necessary


Christmas
Christmas is a Monument to Past and Present Idolatry
Christmas Dishonors Christ's Day
Christmas is a Lie
The World Loves Christmas
Don't Be Fooled
Common Reasons Given by Christians for Celebrating Christmas


Conclusion
from: http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/CHRISTMAS.htm

it is the same position as the puritans took in England and likewise in New England.
 
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THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE OF WORSHIP AND CHRISTMAS
by Brian Schwertley
Contents

Introduction


The Regulative Principle of Worship
The Regulative Principle of Scripture - Sola Scriptura
The Regulative Principle of Worship

The Circumstances of Worship
The Unacceptable Offering
Strange Fire
David and His Men's Error
Autonomous Worship Condemned
Vain Worship
Other Examples
Why the Regulative Principle is Necessary


Christmas
Christmas is a Monument to Past and Present Idolatry
Christmas Dishonors Christ's Day
Christmas is a Lie
The World Loves Christmas
Don't Be Fooled
Common Reasons Given by Christians for Celebrating Christmas
I'm sorrry, but this is totally laughable at best. The reasoning of jumping to conclusions or stating it as
"Christmas is a Monument to Past and Present Idolatry", is not based on SPECIFIC scriptural evidence, just a blank statement. How many non-Christians celebrate Easter, so are we going to say "it's celebrated by non-Christians, and the world loves Easter...Australia has a HUGE Easter show every year...the Easter Bunny has replaced God, so the Easter bunny is an idol". LOL Just because something is celebrated wrong, or even by people not of the faith, doesn't mean that others should have to stop. That is ridiculous.

Some take communion not in realization with the act, that doesn't mean others don't realize what they are doing when they take communion.


 
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I'm sorrry, but this is totally laughable at best. The reasoning of jumping to conclusions or stating it as "Christmas is a Monument to Past and Present Idolatry", is not based on SPECIFIC scriptural evidence, just a blank statement. How many non-Christians celebrate Easter, so are we going to say "it's celebrated by non-Christians, and the world loves Easter...Australia has a HUGE Easter show every year...the Easter Bunny has replaced God, so the Easter bunny is an idol". LOL Just because something is celebrated wrong, or even by people not of the faith, doesn't mean that others should have to stop. That is ridiculous.

Some take communion not in realization with the act, that doesn't mean others don't realize what they are doing when they take communion.


i'm glad you enjoyed reading the essay. I'm never sure if people find the time to research and follow up on links inside these postings. Brian Schwertley is one of those thinkers that i love to hate, he is well written, well argued and never seems to agree with what i think. but that is the best things about such writers, they provoke and inspire us to rebuttal and in the process we learn something even if we never do agree.

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"Christmas is a Monument to Past and Present Idolatry", is not based on SPECIFIC scriptural evidence, just a blank statement

i'm surprised that you think this way. i see:
Deut. 12:2-4, 30-31).Gen. 35:4), (2 Ki. 10:27).(2 Ki. 23) (2 Chron. 23:15).(Jer. 10:2-3) (Deut. 12:31) listed in the 16 rather short paragraphs that make up "Christmas is a Monument to Past and Present Idolatry" at: http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/CHRISTMAS.htm#C3S1.
this appears to be rather specific Scriptures, with analysis of each and how they are relevant to the topic.

i don't believe that this makes "a blank statement" but instead is rather well done Biblical reasoning.
 
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Deuteronomy 12:1-5
1"These are the laws and regulations you must obey as long as you live in the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.
2 "When you drive out the nations that live there, you must destroy all the places where they worship their gods-high on the mountains, up on the hills, and under every green tree. 3 Break down their altars and smash their sacred pillars. Burn their Asherah poles and cut down their carved idols. Erase the names of their gods from those places!
4 "Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods. 5 Rather, you must seek the Lord your God at the place he himself will choose from among all the tribes for his name to be honored.



Okay, do what you will. We usually do anyway...
 
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Like it or not, Christmas is the best outreach tool the Church ever came up with.

I disagree. Jesus is the best outreach tool the Church has ever used.

I have a problem with Christmas, yes. I don't have a problem with people who recognize that it is not Jesus' birthday, who don't follow pagan traditions, and who don't become uber materialistic and indulge in themselves. Now, when you take that away... you really don't have Christmas anymore. And, if you are doing this anyway, then why don't you just make the switch to celebrating Christ's birth on His actual birthday! There is nothing stopping you. If your stuck between that and "what everyone else is doing" just do both. But remember Christmas is fake.
 
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