don't you think sum heavy rock is too overboard?

[Im_A]

I suppose it could, but alot heavy metal kinda has an angry sound with all the screaming, etc. Can you think of anything Christian to fit with that?

yes i can think of things with Christians fitting into an "angry sounding" music.
here i'll list them out.

1. the state of this fallen world
2. the way Christians judge and act self-righteously to others. (oddly enough Christians and non-Christians can be angry about that.)
3. venting and releasing pains from their own past in a unique, artistic way, and a way to touch the lives of people who feel similiarily. (again something Christians and non-Christians alike can do.)
4. getting so fired about God, they want to rock out, scream at the tops of their lungs about their love and NEED for God.
5. being angry about things in society. (again something Christians and non-Christians alike can do.)

that's the thing about music. it's universal and affects people differently. look what music did for King Solomon. it didn't save his soul. it didn't preach the Truth. it took away his demons. the instrumental music of the harp played by David in Psalms.

some music can reach people with the gospel and the truth and maybe help them convince their lives over to God, but i think that is the minority. and now, today that we have technology that can be used in various of means, we can use it to worship God, we can use to drive our demons away, we can use to vent about frustrations with things of the Christian community, things in the society/the world that are bad.

i'm a metal head/hard rocker, but i love all kinds of music (except for gangstar rap.) basically anything from death metal to classical music, i'll listen to. i just love music so much. i play the guitar and since then i've loved music, just my favorite is metal/hard rock. i've been a Christian since i was 12, and my metal listening, started out only with Christian metal bands. it wasn't till the past few years, that i started listening to the big names of metal in the non-christian world. the closest thing to rock or metal i grew up with was, U2 (still a huge fan of U2), then a few listening of GNR, ACDC, Petra, Whitecross, Whiteheart, which basically to me sounds like rock, not metal. i still like GNR, ACDC, i'm not the hugest fan of, even though they are a great band and classic in the rock and roll scene, i've just never been to fancy of them. Petra, Whiteheart, Whitecross are still bands i like, but not much fancy into them either. (plus John Schilitt's solo albums i like much better than Petra.)

my grounding in rock to hard rock to metal started with DC Talk's album "Jesus Freak", Third Day's first two ablums, Newboys i think 2nd album, Audio Adrenalin, Grammatrain (i still love and miss that band) Dear Ephesus, Jars of Clay, Smalltown Poets, Big Tent Revival, Skillet, as mentioned earlier, Petra, Whiteheart, Whitecross, Guardian and bands like that, then it went to Tourniquet, Zao, Living Sacrific, Project 86, POD, Extol, Blindside, Embodyment, Klank some of No Innocent Victim, some of Focal Point, some of Strongarm, some of Stretcharmstrong, and other various of bands. it wasn't until later that i found a liking to the secular world of rock and metal and now i love both sides of music.

so i never saw the confliction between Christianity and rock and roll/metal. still don't.

 

[Chrome]

okay heres the deal.

it seems like alot of you here don't listen to metal, or anything vaguely like it. (just my observations)
screaming, growling, yelling, whatever you want to call it, doesn't usually represent anger. Sure, some bands like Korn and Slipknot want to appeal to angry teens, and thats the thing, appeal. While others, just sing that way beause thats the order of the day. (in other words, the common vocal style in the genre). You'll notice that many Nu-metal bands will yell and scream, Whilst Black metal has a sort of screeching tone and Death metal has deep glutteral growls. Its just the name of the game.

Appeal is why Christian bands with a heavier sound, such as As I Lay Dying, use screaming/yelling vocals, to appeal to people who only listen to that kind of music. Take it from me, and this is not my opinion, but alot of people who listen to metal, or even just plain rock will tell you that normal christian music is hard to get into. Many of my chrisitan friends often tell me. "i'm glad they are giving a good message, but the music is too soft and boring". So normally, those who don't have an interest in normal chrisitian music, might have an interest in christian music with a heavier and faster sound.

 

[xpunkskaterx]

some hard christian rock just shouldn't be classifed as christian...thats my opinion...sure i like 12 stones but when they start doing screamo its just not right.....what u think?

i think 12 stones suck. The only good part is the screaming.

 

[pillarrocks24]

I listen to some of the hardest Christian metal out there. God gave us all talents. Some people like Steven Curtis Chapman has great singing voices. And others like the guy from Demon Hunter have voices that are good for screaming. God gave SCC talents for singing, he also gave Ryan Clark from Demon Hunter the ability to scream his lungs out. Now SCC sings praises to God, Ryan Clark screams praises to God.

Psalm 150

1 Praise the LORD . [a]




Praise God in his sanctuary;

praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;

praise him for his surpassing greatness.

3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,

praise him with the harp and lyre,

4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,

praise him with the strings and flute,

5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,

praise him with resounding cymbals.

6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD .



Praise the LORD .

 

[PetraFan007]

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[radio ga ga]

I don't think it's going overboard at all. There's nothing wrong with screaming as long as you're not sinning in the process.

 

[ALASKACHICK10]

I don't think it's going overboard at all. There's nothing wrong with screaming as long as you're not sinning in the process.

thats how I see it..

 

[The Shasta]

some hard christian rock just shouldn't be classifed as christian...thats my opinion...sure i like 12 stones but when they start doing screamo its just not right.....what u think?

If they give a Christian message and act Christian, I don't see a problem. If they're screaming, so what. That's like posting a thread that says "I listen to a Christian band, but recently they came out with a song where the singer whispers. Is this considered Christian?"

Screaming. Whispering. Talking loudly. Who cares. If it's a Christian message, it all ends up to be good in my book.

 

[jbgordon]

I get this wierd vibe from 12 stones. I cant stand them at all. And personally I think theyre poseurs.

 

[Idicious]

The lyrics are not always easy, or in some cases possible to pick out just by listening, but here are some lyrics from a pioneer in the christian 'black metal' (unblack, holy unblack, white, whatever you like to call it) scene Antestor, it's almost Literally taken from the bible, I've seen them live, and during their performance people were knelt down or with their hands held up to the lord chanting along the chorus, so beautiful to see, and it is screamed:

A Sovereign Fortress

In You, I Have Taken Refuge
Never Let Me Be Put To Shame
As You Are Righteous Rescue Me And Save My Life
Hear Me And Set Me Free
Be A Rock Of Refuge For Me,
Where I May Ever Find Safety At Your Call
For You Are My Towering Crag And Stronghold
O Lord , Keep My Life Safe From The Wicked

You Are My Hope, O Lord, My Trust, O Lord, Since Boyhood
From Birth I Have Leaned Upon You
My Protector Since I Left My Mother's Vomb

Let All My Traducers Be Shamed And Dishonoured
Let All Who Seek My Hurt Be Covered With Scorn
But I Will Wait In Continual Hope
I Will Praise You Again And Again
All Day Long Your Righteousness, Your Saving Acts,
Shall Be Upon My Lips
You Shall Ever Be The Theme Of My Praise
Your Righteousness, Yours Alone

You Are My Hope, O Lord, My Trust, O Lord, Since Boyhood
From Birth I Have Leaned Upon You
My Protector Since I Left My Mothers Womb

For You Have Done Great Things
Who Is Like You?

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From the song: The Bridge of Death

How Can I Manage To Live
I Don't Receive As Much As I Give
The Dark Side Of An Emotional Soul
Will Not Let This Become His Goal

A Struggle Against The Evil Within,
A Fight Which No Man Can Ever Win
Fooled By The Lie, Of Changing My Destiny
I Fought The Truth, Never To Rest In Peace
Is There A Way, How Can I Pay

Jesus You Fought The Battle For Me
Help Me To See That You Set Me Free

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From Slechtvalk - Cries of the haunted (band usually has screamed lyrics, rest of this song has too but this is a spoken interlude they almost always play live)

"What has become of the son, who loved me
for so many years and now calls me into doubt
He who has worshipped me for so long
Now lives under the spell of the wicked
That brings his soul only further in Darkness
Away from love and closer to hatred
Don't you know that I'll always love you?
Return to me and I'll take care of you
I'll bring peace in your mind and rest in your troubled heart
I will treat you as my son
I'll make you a warrior of the Light"

And later in the song:

Where are you God?!?!
"Here, waiting for you my son."

I will always love you Lord
Even in times of terrible Darkness
Nothing can stop me from worshipping you
Even if it means the end of my earthly life

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Now tell me how bands that proclaim these things so boldy in their lyrics, screamed yes, but still proclaimed can not be honouring God? Antestor has received deaththreats from the secular scene, and Slechtvalk members have been attacked on stage (A show I was at a guy jumped on stage and started beating up the lead vocalist) because of their faith and their bold mesage.

 

[xpunkskaterx]

cool

 

[memphisXwasted]

some hard christian rock just shouldn't be classifed as christian...thats my opinion...sure i like 12 stones but when they start doing screamo its just not right.....what u think?

what kind of question is that?! i love lots of loud music. hardcore, metal, black metal, death metal, youthcrew hardcore. Metalcore. you name it!

here is a christian band from each of these sub hard music genres

Figure Four "Hardcore"
Extol "Black Metal"
Living Sacrifice "Metal"
Antestor "Death Metal"
StretchArmStrong "Youth Crew Hardcore"
As I Lay Dying "Metalcore"

i have a metalcore band too. check it out www.purevolume.com/dressedfortragedy