Don't all roads led to heaven?

[The Interrogator]

I know where i stand but i want other peoples veiw, do you think that all people, no matter there faith, can go to heaven? Understanding of course the people lived a moral and just life.

 

[joy2daworld]

This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. (Rom. 3:22-24)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Living a moral and decent life will not get anyone to heaven. All have sinned and the consequence is everlasting separation from the Father. The only way to get to heaven is through Jesus Christ His Son. Without following God's plan of salvation, a person can not get into heaven. This means there is only one road to heaven. One way. One plan. One savior. One salvation. The man Jesus Christ, who being true God and true man, took all our sins upon Himself on the cross. He suffered, died, and rose again for all mankind. What other road to heaven might there be? The Bible clearly points to only one narrow road which leads to everlasting life with Him.

Thanks for considering what's out there. I always feel it's good to know how others are thinking but I know in my heart that what the Bible teaches is truth and these two passages show clearly there is only one way to heaven.

In Christ,
Sarah (aka joy2daworld)

 

[Webers_Home]

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Don't all roads lead to Hell?

The Bible testifies that everybody, regardless of their faith, and regardless of whether or not they are moral or immoral, just or unjust, are automatically on a road to Hell simply because they were born a human being.

†. 1Cor 15:50 . . Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God

According to the Bible's Christ, it's essential to undergo a second birth in order to obtain a pass into God's kingdom. This prerequisite is not optional, not even for moral, decent, pious, law-abiding people. No, second births are a must, no exceptions.

†. John 3:3 . . Jesus replied: I assure you, unless you are born from above, you can never see the Kingdom of God.

†. John 3:6-7 . . Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit reproduces spirit life. So don't be surprised at my statement that you must be born again.

C.L.I.F.F.
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[70x7]

Absolutley not!

"Wide is the path, but narrow is the gate"
The ONLY way to the Father is through Jesus Christ and He is only present as the Messiah in Christianity.

Part of "The Lie" is to get people diverted from Jesus and what better way to do that then create other religions.
If they were all true, you'd be sharing a room in heaven with the guy who flew a plane into a building

 

[Hayzel]

Webers and Sarah(joy2daworld) are both correct.

Morals and Morality do not get you into to heaven alone. Everyone sins, there is no perfect human except for Jesus Christ. Because we have all sinned, we all must be reborn into the family of Christ and that is what defines us as Christians.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Those who do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and cease to exist. It is very clear throughout the bible that there is only one way to the Kingdom of God.

 

[2ndRateMind]

While I would not contend that 'all roads lead to heaven', I do not for a moment believe that only Christianity does. It seems to me that there are dozens, perhaps hundreds, perhaps thousands of millions of people who lead perfectly good, moral lives, but owe allegience to other religions.

Should a 'good' Buddhist be denied the just reward a 'bad' Christian unjustly receives?

I really can't see it. I suspect that those who preach this kind of stuff are really rather insecure in their faith; they just want everyone to agree with them. And this want weighs more heavily with them than the conception of God as just, and merciful. We should pity them their narrow-minded outlook, and just get on with Jesus' commandments to love God, and love each other, and see the rest as detail.

God will know His own, and I suspect when Jesus comes, at the end of days, to call the people who know Him to be with Him forever, it will be people of diverse religions, diverse beliefs, diverse moral outlooks who answer that call. Their defining characteristic, however, will be that they loved, loved completely, and loved selflessly. No religion can claim a monopoly on that love, and plenty of religions encourage it. I cannot claim any special knowledge in this regard, not being dead yet, but I hazard my soul on the idea that it is love, and not a conventional belief mind-set, that is the meaning of life and the qualification for bliss in this world, and the next.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[DamianWarS]

there are many bible verses that say otherwise but they all have been quoted here. On a philosophical level if I were to say that all roads lead to heaven than I am asserting in the truth of all things and that nothing is false. If I say that than I am really saying there is no truth because I remove the definition of truth altogether.

In order for there to be truth there needs to be something as a bases of comparison which would be the opposite of truth. If it were not so we would have no concept of the word truth to even define it. How can you define something that is impossible to compare with something else? And if there was such a thing how would we be able to recognize it to even try and define it? I know there is good because there is evil. If there was no evil then everything would be good and then there would be no point in even calling it good because there is no concept of the word which would mean there is no evil or no good. Ideas are defined by how well we can contrast them if we can't define something then there is nothing to define.

If I call everything truth then I am also calling a faith like Christianity truth which believes that there is only one way to heaven, I also am saying that the faiths that say all ways go to heaven are truth and I also am saying that the belief that there is no heaven is truth. All those statements cannot all be truth. If I believe that all ways lead to heaven then I also believe that Christians have truth who believe that I am wrong. So that kind of discussion is self destructive and falls apart the more you talk about it. If everything is truth then there really is no truth and there is no opposite to truth it would be a false concept. We can't define something that we can't contrast. If there is no truth then there is no consequence or reward of truth so there no is God and there is no heaven. We live, we die and that is it.

Freud said that everyone's belief in God is an example of their own superiority complex so basically there is no God there is just people having some complex of whatever they think God is. If that were truth Freud's belief in God himself would also be an example of his superiority complex. And his belief is that "everyone's belief in God is an example of their own superiority complex". So his theory explains itself away since all he is really saying is that Freud has a superiority complex about God not that there is a God or there isn't one.

Truth that says everything is truth is the absence of truth. It has no meaning, no definition and no point. You can either accept what I say or not. If you accept what I say then great. If you do not than you are saying that everything is truth and if you say everything is truth then "everything" would also include what I am speaking of right now. And what I am speaking of right now is saying that concept is not truth. So it would mean you believe that my belief that you are wrong is right. Which would mean that your concept of truth doesn't even accept that it itself is truth.

The only logical definition of truth is that there is only one truth and Christianity does not contradict this logic.

 

[Hayzel]

While I would not contend that 'all roads lead to heaven', I do not for a moment believe that only Christianity does. It seems to me that there are dozens, perhaps hundreds, perhaps thousands of millions of people who lead perfectly good, moral lives, but owe allegience to other religions.

Should a 'good' Buddhist be denied the just reward a 'bad' Christian unjustly receives?

I really can't see it. I suspect that those who preach this kind of stuff are really rather insecure in their faith; they just want everyone to agree with them. And this want weighs more heavily with them than the conception of God as just, and merciful. We should pity them their narrow-minded outlook, and just get on with Jesus' commandments to love God, and love each other, and see the rest as detail.

God will know His own, and I suspect when Jesus comes, at the end of days, to call the people who know Him to be with Him forever, it will be people of diverse religions, diverse beliefs, diverse moral outlooks who answer that call. Their defining characteristic, however, will be that they loved, loved completely, and loved selflessly. No religion can claim a monopoly on that love, and plenty of religions encourage it. I cannot claim any special knowledge in this regard, not being dead yet, but I hazard my soul on the idea that it is love, and not a conventional belief mind-set, that is the meaning of life and the qualification for bliss in this world, and the next.

Best wishes, 2RM.

If you are a Christian, it is probably a given that you believe in the Bible. According to the Bible, only those who believe in Christ will go to Heaven. Nowhere does it say that you can get into heaven by good deeds alone, so those who do not accept a single lord and savior will not go to heaven. There is no gray area for this.

Damian WarS,

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the light." What your doing is playing with words and definitions. Also, I would not base a belief on what a single man said, but what Jesus and God say.

 

[talitha]

I know where i stand but i want other peoples veiw, do you think that all people, no matter there faith, can go to heaven? Understanding of course the people lived a moral and just life.

All people, no matter their faith, can go to Heaven by accepting Jesus Christ as their Way to Heaven. If all roads led to heaven, then there would be no need for Jesus - He came because no one could could be aligned with the Father of Life without Him. All roads do not lead to Heaven, but amazingly and miraculously, Jesus can meet anyone on any road and take him there.
blessings
tal

 

[DamianWarS]

Damian WarS,

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the light." What your doing is playing with words and definitions. Also, I would not base a belief on what a single man said, but what Jesus and God say.

I am saying that Christianity is truth just not using the bible to do so, so i'm not sure what your argument against me is. I also accept Jesus' words saying "I am the way, the truth and the light." What I said does not conflict with the teachings of the Bible.

If you believe that all ways lead to heaven then quoting the bible to prove otherwise only reaches the people who believe and accept the bible or at the very least believe and accept the verses you quote. Some people don't believe in the bible or don't believe in all of the bible and still call themselves Christians or say they believe in the bible but it isn't the only way. I am trying to use philosophy and logic to prove that the teachings of Christianity is truth and that there is only one truth instead of quoting bible verses to do so. Once you accept that then you accept the teachings of the bible and then you can use bible verses to expand that concept.

 

[2ndRateMind]

If you are a Christian, it is probably a given that you believe in the Bible. According to the Bible, only those who believe in Christ will go to Heaven. Nowhere does it say that you can get into heaven by good deeds alone, so those who do not accept a single lord and savior will not go to heaven. There is no gray area for this.

Damian WarS,

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the light." What your doing is playing with words and definitions. Also, I would not base a belief on what a single man said, but what Jesus and God say.

Dear Hayzel

I do believe the Bible. I do not believe 'in' the Bible. I believe the Bible to be an accurate depiction of the development of Judaism and early Christianity. That does not mean I have to believe that every prescription is true; I eat oysters, for example, given the chance. And every day I wear cloth of mixed fibres. No, I think we need to be a little more sophisticated about the Bible than imbibing it as if it were unadulterated 'Truth'.

Jesus did indeed say 'I am the way, the truth and the life'. John 14:6 But this is a cryptic phrase, capable of many different interpretations. It is very definately a 'grey area'. I choose to interpret it to mean that He was recommending that we live like He did, in love with God, His world, and the people in it. I reject the less plausible interpretation that has come to be conventional, that goes along the lines of 'unless you believe what the Church says about me, that I am the son aspect of a triune God, born of the virgin Mary, etc., you will go to Hell.'

Best wishes, 2ndRateMind.

 

[talitha]

just reposting as i think my post was lost in the bottom-of-the-page vortex.

All people, no matter their faith, can go to Heaven by accepting Jesus Christ as their Way to Heaven. If all roads led to heaven, then there would be no need for Jesus - He came because no one could could be aligned with the Father of Life without Him. All roads do not lead to Heaven, but amazingly and miraculously, Jesus can meet anyone on any road and take him there.
blessings
tal

 

[joy2daworld]

First of all, Damian, you should really find yourself a dictionary and check out their definition of truth. What you attempted to do with logic seems completely illogical and full of gibberish to me. I'm relatively sure that trying to prove Christianity without using the Bible is akin to proving the chemical makeup of water without using the periodic chart. Nice try, but I think I'd stick to the facts which, by the way, are found in one place...The Word of God.

 

[Zaac]

I know where i stand but i want other peoples veiw, do you think that all people, no matter there faith, can go to heaven? Understanding of course the people lived a moral and just life.

It's completely unBiblical. There is but ONE way and that Way is through Jesus Christ.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Interrogator. You had a number of clever answers to your question: Don`t all roads lead to Heaven? God made us in His image, He called us Good. In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve our proto-types, fell victims to a crafty Serpent, they openly rebelled against God`s loving advice: If you eat of the Tree of the Tree of Knowledge, you will die. They died to God, their eyes were opened to the difference of Good and NOT Good. They were banished to Earth, where they, and all who followed, had to learn to love, God first, He is our Heavenly Father, and to love each other as we love ourselves. The greatest temptation this imperfect world can throw at us, is SELFISHNESS, always number One first. In time Mankind had moved too far away from God, and only a Saviour could Redeem us. Jesus came, He showed us God as He really is, a loving Heavenly Father who wants us back again. Jesus died for us, He paid the price which God`s Holy Law demanded. Jesus died that we might live. And now Jesus is waiting to lead us back to the Father, on the road to heaven. Jesus is the Way, He alone reconciled us to God-Father. Would`nt you agree, Interrogator, that Jesus paid heavily, and His Love for us, gave us Life Eternal in Heaven? God wants our love, pure and selfless, and trying to be good, do good deeds, sounds fine, but could you in all honesty say, they are the key to heaven? I say this humbly and with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Zaac]

While I would not contend that 'all roads lead to heaven', I do not for a moment believe that only Christianity does.

As a Christian, which I assume that you are by your icon, shouldn't you stand on what the word of God says? If you don't, it doesn't leave you with much of a testimony for Him.

The Bible says 42He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done." Matthew 26:42 Would God the Father send His Son to the Cross if there was another way?

It seems to me that there are dozens, perhaps hundreds, perhaps thousands of millions of people who lead perfectly good, moral lives, but owe allegience to other religions.

You're looking at things from a fleshly worldview and not a GODLY worldview. The Bible says in Proverbs 21:2
All a man's ways seem right to him, but the LORD weighs the heart.

It does not matter what we think, feel, believe, or even what seems to us. God tells us how it REALLY is. His word says in Ephesians 2:8 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. Thus living a moral life means nothing. A person can live a moral life according to his own standards and still not know Christ and go right to hell.

The problem is SIN. The presence of one sin is enough to send someone to hell because God is Holy. All the moral living in existence does not do away with a person's sin. The sin issue is only dealt with by Jesus Christ.
Not by Buddha.
Not by Mohammad.
Not by Brahman.
Not by allah.

But by Jesus Christ ALONE.

Should a 'good' Buddhist be denied the just reward a 'bad' Christian unjustly receives?

A good Buddhist is still covered with unforgiven sin. A bad Christian has received the righteousness of Christ as the propitiation for his sin.

The problem is the sin.

I really can't see it. I suspect that those who preach this kind of stuff are really rather insecure in their faith;

You have a problem with the word of God not the people preaching the word of God.

they just want everyone to agree with them.

It's God's word, not ours. Now I still find it rather dumbfounding how people can profess belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior yet put forth something else as "the way".

And this want weighs more heavily with them than the conception of God as just, and merciful. We should pity them their narrow-minded outlook, and just get on with Jesus' commandments to love God, and love each other, and see the rest as detail.

You're kidding. Right??? Yes God is just and merciful. But that forbearance doesn't last forever. Why is it that folks who like to speak of God's love, justness and mercy as an almost excuse for why other ways are just as valid as the Way that is Christ without fail never mention God's wrath that is inseparable from His love?


How are you gonna get on with God's commandment to love Him while advocating to someone that other godds are just as worthy of their praise?

God will know His own, and I suspect when Jesus comes, at the end of days, to call the people who know Him to be with Him forever, it will be people of diverse religions, diverse beliefs, diverse moral outlooks who answer that call.

Great God Almighty! What are you talking about? When He comes back for His Bride, He is coming for the ones that have taken HIM(not any number of other false gods) as their Bridegroom.

Their defining characteristic, however, will be that they loved, loved completely, and loved selflessly.

(SMH) You can't love completely and selflessly without the One Who IS Love.

No religion can claim a monopoly on that love, and plenty of religions encourage it. I cannot claim any special knowledge in this regard, not being dead yet, but I hazard my soul on the idea that it is love, and not a conventional belief mind-set, that is the meaning of life and the qualification for bliss in this world, and the next.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. James 3:1
Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

 

[Max3k]

I'm going to go ahead and be closed minded here. Jesus is the only way. Period.

 

[Zaac]

I'm going to go ahead and be closed minded here. Jesus is the only way. Period.

And the Church said AMEN!!!

Lock this puppy up!!!

 

[bliz]

Understanding of course the people lived a moral and just life.

See, there's the tricky part. No one is capable of living a moral and just life. All of us sin in one way or another, and it takes only one sin, one unjust or immoral thought or action, and we've blown it. The pure and innocent blood of Jesus alone can, however, cover our sins

 

[joy2daworld]

AMEN Zaac. You said all the things I was thinking in that place in my mind that holds all the things I learned in parochial school but was too shy to point out.