Don't all roads led to heaven?

[brightmorningstar]

To onthegallow

I am sorry but it wasn't a TEACHING of Jesus, it was from the Torah. You can say what you want but Paul never quotes Jesus. He didn't say "as Jesus said in matthew/luke/mark/john."

What you say is not even strictly the case. See for example 1 Corinthians 11…
23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes
See also 1 Corinthians 9:14 and 1 Corinthians 7:10.
As well, I would point out this isn’t the only place Paul points out that he didn’t receive this from man but from the risen Lord.
I would also add that Jesus spoke what He heard the Father God speaking, and Jesus Christ is the third ‘person’ of God.

As to the Bible, I see it as authorative, spiritually I have the same Holy Spirit that Christ promised to all believers. The promised Holy Spirit reminds those who have it, as it reminded those who wrote what we have as the Bible of what Jesus said did and taught.

If you accept things on what people have said and claimed in the past, then maybe you should check out Mormonism, or Islam.

I think the point is that we don’t accept what people have said, but what the scriptures say.

I guess Hindus and Muslims have holy scripture if majority rules.

Well its not majority rules and neither would it be with Hinduism or Islam as there are more Christians worldwide than the others.

 

[ittarter]

Ok, who wrote the gospels? Why does paul never refer to any of Jesus's teachings to use but rather on things his own theology.

So your response to my long and involved response to your every random complaint about Christianity is... another question?

That's not fair!

The whole point is to show that these questions are easily answered by someone with a background in the subject matter. If you are not even going to publicly recognize the impotence of your questions as stated, then I have no interest answering any new questions. It seems pretty pointless if you're just going to go looking for new "problems," especially since I'm not even convinced you care about my answers.

However, I will do you the service of clarifying some of my previous answers.

The other ascension count might be 8 days, I can't remember off hand, but you say that those days imply something other than literal, then what is to stop you from taking everything else as "not literal". You can't have it both ways.

Clearly you can't just simply follow a rule that says that numbers are symbolic but everything else is literal. Literature is a bit more complicated than that. In fact, I don't know if I could explain how to tell the difference, in general. If you'd like to look at a specific example, I think our discussion would be more profitable. However, I'm quite open to interpreting biblical narratives in a non-literal fashion, so you might be pleasantly disappointed

My point with the hindus was this: We all are climbing a mountain and trying hard to come to what we see as God and make sense of things, but in the end we all are looking to the peak to form one true God, because there is no other God if one created us, so all these paths lead to the only being that is there. You can't blow these other religons off as if they are lying to themselves, because they aren't; they are seeking desperatly for what they see as truth. "seek and ye shall find". They are seeking and coming to a different conclusion, Jesus didn't say "Find me, and then seek", nor did he say "Seek and your conclusion should always come to me". God will know who desperatley seeked truth, I think many people will die and see God, and see that He is who they were looking for. I don't believe that person will go to hell.

I don't blow off other religions, but I think that one may legitimately ask whether or not religions are in fact searching for the same thing, as you have repeatedly supposed.

Or, to respond within the bounds of your metaphor, How do we know we're all climbing the same mountain? Why not different mountains?

Concerning Jesus' promise, "Seek and you will find," I'd suggest that it's possible to overgeneralize this statement. For example, no one applies this line when they're looking for some money they lost, because that's not the application intended by the promise, and we know this because not everyone finds their money even though they look really really hard.

Likewise, since Jesus spoke this word to people in the area of Galilee, presumably they were well aware of the Jewish teachings about God. Jesus isn't necessarily saying that, if you do your searching in a Buddhist monastery, you will find the same God of Israel.

However, I do not share your concern about the eternal destination of those belonging to other religious traditions, since I am agnostic with respect to a literal "hell" and "heaven" "where" we "go" after we die. Therefore I am freer to interpret these questions within a more fully historical framework, rather than worrying about the implications for the afterlife of non-Christians.

 

[pianofreak88]

So I'm a Christian and taking a high school course entitled "Comparative World Religions," reading out of Huston Smith's book on the subject. I just read about Hinduism, and it's philosophy that all paths lead to God. As a Christian, I haven't been able to put together a response against that belief without quoting the Bible. Without "casting pearls before swine," does anyone suggest any argument against relative truth, and divine multiplicity that doesn't quote Bible verses? Obviously, people who don't respect the Bible won't respect an answer based on it's contents. Respond please?

 

[98cwitr]

my preacher is convinced that all roads eventually lead to heaven, I dont agree with him though.

 

[ebia]

I know where i stand but i want other peoples veiw, do you think that all people, no matter there faith, can go to heaven? Understanding of course the people lived a moral and just life.

The biblical story is not "good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell".

The biblical story is:
God created a very good world and put people in it with a role to play
We choose not to live up to that role and therefore that very good creation is broken.
God is putting that right and invites us to get on board with his plan to put it right, becoming (gradually) part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
Ultimately those who choose not to be part of God's plan for a solution will have to be excluded so that the solution can come to fulfillment.

 

[pianofreak88]

I don't agree with that either, but does anybody have any non-Biblical, possibly logical argument against the "multiple paths" theory?

 

[ebia]

Um, this is not a forum for Christians to discuss amongst themselves. This is a forum forum for non-Christians to ask questions and Christians to offer responses to that person.

 

[Kristin E]

I know where i stand but i want other peoples veiw, do you think that all people, no matter there faith, can go to heaven? Understanding of course the people lived a moral and just life.

Only the righteous can enter into the Kingdom of God.
If you obey the 10 Commandments and believe with all of your heart in God...
Then you are more likely to go to Heaven, but only God knows...
As for your question, no... not all roads lead to Heaven.

 

[pianofreak88]

Haha, well that's nice about righteous people going to Heaven, but (I assume you adhere to the Bible since you reference God and his Ten Commandments) Romans 3:10 explicitly statces that "No one is righteous--not even one." Righteousness isn't an option. The chapter goes on (etc.) and restates that in verse 20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

Read on to find out that salvation comes through "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:24).

 

[pianofreak88]

"...and the spirit returns to God who gave it" is the rest of the verse that you forgot to put up. (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

 

[98cwitr]

Only the righteous can enter into the Kingdom of God.
If you obey the 10 Commandments and believe with all of your heart in God...
Then you are more likely to go to Heaven, but only God knows...
As for your question, no... not all roads lead to Heaven.

what do the 10 commandments have to do with salvation?

 

[jpcedotal]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)


That is the only way. Anybody who does not take Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will not go to heaven...no matter how "good" they are.

 

[98cwitr]

why did you post the same thing 5 times?

 

[Ben007]

"...and the spirit returns to God who gave it" is the rest of the verse that you forgot to put up. (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

----------------

The spirit here is only the breath of life.
Ben

 

[Jpark]

Never mind.

 

[Watergirl]

Nt