Donald Trump says post abortive women deserve some form of punishment

[KWCrazy]

the GOP want's women who end their pregancies put in jail.
Period.
Full stop.
Trump just said it out loud.
Why are you so guys so reluctant to embrace your own policies ?

Your statement is deliberately false.
You are misrepresenting what was asked and what was answered for you own purposes. You're confusing laws protecting the unborn from abusive, drug addicted mothers with abortion laws.
Trump was not asked if he would like to arrest those who have had abortions. He was asked what he would do as president if abortions were make illegal.
There is no pending legislation to make abortions illegal. It was a set-up question.
The correct answer is that the president enforces the law. He is not a king. He does not by himself create law.
Trump was guilty of assuming that a liberal journalist was asking a serious question. It was a set-up. Trump just missed it.

 

[Albion]

Don't give me your right wing politically correct wangle-dangle

LOL I love it when they have nothing so say, so it's rave about the "vast right wing conspiracy."

Viva Hillary!, eh?

 

[Cos-play]

Your statement is deliberately false.
You are misrepresenting what was asked and what was answered for you own purposes. You're confusing laws protecting the unborn from abusive, drug addicted mothers with abortion laws.
Trump was not asked if he would like to arrest those who have had abortions. He was asked what he would do as president if abortions were make illegal.
There is no pending legislation to make abortions illegal. It was a set-up question.
The correct answer is that the president enforces the law. He is not a king. He does not by himself create law.
Trump was guilty of assuming that a liberal journalist was asking a serious question. It was a set-up. Trump just missed it.

I have to pesky things called "facts" and "examples" and "quotes" on my side, claiming my statements are deliberately false when face with those things is a hard sell.

 

[Cos-play]

LOL I love it when they have nothing so say, so it's rave about the "vast right wing conspiracy."

Viva Hillary!, eh?

Yeah, just ignore the THREE EXAMPLES SHOWING EXAMPLES OF WOMEN BEING JAILED FOR MISCARRIAGES AFTER THE QUOTED SENTENCE.

How dumb do you think the readers of this forum are ?

And

I'm feel the bern.

not run for the hills

 

[Albion]

How dumb do you think the readers of this forum are ?

And

I'm feel the bern.

Are you absolutely certain that you want to ask that?

 

[Cos-play]

Are you absolutely certain that you want to ask that?

Why ?
Do you not want to answer ?

 

[PsychoeDial]

Still waiting on a rational argument as to why they don't have a place in both.

You'd have to think rationally in order to recognize that has already been accomplished.
If not to your satisfaction that's quite alright.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

The problem with Trumps comment, from the conservative point of view is not the it's outrageous, it's that it basically represents the true stand of the GOP.

It's the logical conclusion of the pro-life position, which Trump, seemingly in a moment of innocence, stated out loud, but it's a conclusion most pro-lifers seem determined to fight. I guess they're just scared of being called "anti-woman". Whereas, Trump, whatever else he is, is certainly not afraid of that.

Politically correct "pro-lifers" like to pretend that the culpability for abortion rests solely on the providers and that the women who seek them are nothing but innocent victims with no responsibility or free agency of their own. With that comes he implication is that her getting pregnant out of wedlock is something that just happened, and not the result of her spreading her legs for a man who had no intention of marrying her or whom she had no intention of marrying. As long as that's the stand they take, as long as they refuse to regard women as accountable for their decisions, they are never going to deligitimize abortion as a valid option in the wider culture.

 

[Albion]

It's the logical conclusion of the pro-life position, which Trump, seemingly in a moment of innocence, stated out loud, but it's a conclusion most pro-lifers seem determined to fight. I guess they're just scared of being called "anti-woman". Whereas, Trump, whatever else he is, is certainly not afraid of that.

As I understand it, Trump says he was being led by Chris Matthews through a hypothetical situation, which, as you recognized, would logically lead to exactly what Trump said, BUT NOT necessarily be what he or anyone else would propose as public policy.

As one might expect, most of the media, and all of the Democrats, not only didn't care what Trump said his actual position would be, but insisted upon pretending that 'punish the woman' is his stance.

 

[Cos-play]

As I understand it, Trump says he was being led by Chris Matthews through a hypothetical situation, which, as you recognized, would logically lead to exactly what Trump said, BUT NOT necessarily be what he or anyone else would propose as public policy.

As one might expect, most of the media, and all of the Democrats, not only didn't care what Trump said his actual position would be, but insisted upon pretending that 'punish the woman' is his stance.

Well, fortunately we have these things called video recording. Let's see exactly what was said and then we'll know.

Well, it certainly seems to be that Trumps stand is to punish women get abortions if abortion is made legal

And to lets the guys off the hook, even though, as Mr. Matthews points out, they are usually involved.

 

[KWCrazy]

As I understand it, Trump says he was being led by Chris Matthews through a hypothetical situation, which, as you recognized, would logically lead to exactly what Trump said, BUT NOT necessarily be what he or anyone else would propose as public policy.

As one might expect, most of the media, and all of the Democrats, not only didn't care what Trump said his actual position would be, but insisted upon pretending that 'punish the woman' is his stance.

Exactly. And then the liberal media did what they do best; lie.

 

[KWCrazy]

Politically correct "pro-lifers" like to pretend that the culpability for abortion rests solely on the providers and that the women who seek them are nothing but innocent victims with no responsibility or free agency of their own.

Really?
Name three.
Women who abort babies conceived through unprotected casual sex are essentially premeditated murderers. In a secular society the law doesn't see the unborn as human beings, but I have no doubt that the Creator does. Life is His to give and His to take. Abortion will probably never be illegal, but no tax money should ever fund them. If a state chooses to make abortion illegal then that state will also affix the penalties for violating the law. That's exactly as it should be.

 

[Cos-play]

Really?
Name three.

Ted Cruz
Tom Coburn
Paul Ryan

 

[benedictaoo]

The problem with Trumps comment, from the conservative point of view is not the it's outrageous, it's that it basically represents the true stand of the GOP.

There are, right now, at this moment, women in several states either in jail or facing multiple year sentences from causing miscarriages or for activities that may have damaged their fetuses during pregnancy.

It's not the women MIGHT face prison for having an abortion, it's that they already are.

It's just politically incorrect for the GOP to say it.

And C, it's equally outrageous for the Demos to say under Obama Care, old people who need treatments/surgeries to better their lives or even save their lives are not getting that treatment because they are not productive enough citizens. That's like a step away from Hitler. The Democrats (just like Hitler tried to) brainwash society into this pseudo mercy (that's it's better they die than suffer) on ending the lives of people other people deem unworthy or just a plain pain in the butt to live but they want to save the lives of terrorist and criminals. Go figure that out. In the Democrats mind, they could care less about women. We know they care less about unborn babies. They could care less about anyone. People are votes to them that = power and nothing more. But to be fair, Republicans are the same way. Two sides of the same coin.

 

[benedictaoo]

extreme side of the pro-life movement.

It just more proof that Trump is there to throw the election to the Democrats.

 

[benedictaoo]

the GOP want's women who end their pregancies put in jail.

Period.

Full stop.

Trump just said it out loud.

This is proof to me that our political process is just a sick game of god cop/bad cop. Where we are headed is anybody who doesn't have worth in these bad people's eyes will be put to death in one way or another.

 

[Pwnerer]

Yeah, just ignore the THREE EXAMPLES SHOWING EXAMPLES OF WOMEN BEING JAILED FOR MISCARRIAGES AFTER THE QUOTED SENTENCE.

How dumb do you think the readers of this forum are ?

And

I'm feel the bern.

not run for the hills

The Catholic Church and good Pope John Paul II spent so much effort trying to bring down socialism in Eastern Europe .... and you're trying to bring it here? Do you realize the consensus of the Church is that socialism is basically the most destructive ideology humans have seen yet?

Anyway, I don't see why punishment for murder is a bad thing. Usually when you murder someone and get punished that's called "Justice". "Justice for the unborn". Is that a bad thing?

 

[benedictaoo]

Cart before the horse. Abortion would have to be ruled as murder before we could punish people for committing said murder. Then there would have to be a trial.

 

[classicalhero]

Well, when there is, maybe you have more right to an opinion.

It's not an opinion, it's scientific fact that there is another human being inside a woman when she is pregnant.

Cart before the horse. Abortion would have to be ruled as murder before we could punish people for committing said murder. Then there would have to be a trial.

And slave would have be given humans for them to free. Same arguments used by the slavers are being used by the pro-aborts.

 

[BlessedHeart]

I disagree with Trump on just about everything two people can disagree on. However, he's right in saying that "if Republicans succeeded in banning the practice [of abortion]", then women who sought abortions would likely be punished, as would the physicians that performed them. Yes, people who are convicted of lawbreaking face punishment, and if abortion were illegal, those caught having or performing them would face punishment as lawbreakers. Thank you, Captain Obvious.

This is one very good reason why I don't support criminalizing abortion. As a Catholic I utterly abhor the practice. It's the wrong decision, period. I cannot, however, stand by and support jailing a woman who was reduced to making such a terrible choice. I believe in ending abortion through education and funding for alternatives like adoption, not by putting desperate women through criminal proceedings.