Doesn't daddy get a say?

[Caitlin.ann]

Speaking of an unexpected pregnancy and abortion, shouldn't daddy get a say in whether or not the fetus/baby be aborted or kept? As it stands only women are seen as worthy enough to get a say. Why shouldn't the father of the fetus/baby get a say though?

 

[pgp_protector]

They do when the impregnate the woman, but the woman can override what the man wants.

 

[SithDoughnut]

He gets a say as to whether they concieve in the first place, but after that it's the woman's body so it's her choice. If she chooses to let the man have a say it's up to her.

 

[allhart]

Our father to whom lives in heaven will get the final say, but for now women and men have grace on earth!

 

[Caitlin.ann]

They do when the impregnate the woman, but the woman can override what the man wants.

Why? The fetus/baby is half his. Additionally men aren't the only party to ensure pregnancy doesn't occur. Contraceptives are the responsibilities of both parties.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

He gets a say as to whether they concieve in the first place, but after that it's the woman's body so it's her choice. If she chooses to let the man have a say it's up to her.

No its up to both parties to ensure contraceptives are used. Its not just his choice to wrap it.

 

[SithDoughnut]

No its up to both parties to ensure contraceptives are used. Its not just his choice to wrap it.

I never said it was entirely the responsibility of the man, I said it's his choice if he wants to concieve or not. If either of the two people don't want to, then it won't happen. If the man chooses to wrap it, the woman will (ignoring accidents such as ripping) not concieve even if she wants to.

However, when it comes to abortion the choice is entirely hers. It's her body, and the foetus is part of that body until it is born.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

However, when it comes to abortion the choice is entirely hers.

Why should it be just her choice, other than the "its her body" argument. Why not compensate the woman, then when the child is born she can give up parental rights and the father can raise it?

 

[SithDoughnut]

Why should it be just her choice, other than the "its her body" argument. Why not compensate the woman, then when the child is born she can give up parental rights and the father can raise it?

Because childbirth is exceptionally painful, and in certain situations can be harmful or even lethal to the mother.

I see no other need for any argument further than 'it's her body'. If she wants to accept the compensation, it's up to her. Nobody has the right to force childbirth upon her.

 

[pgp_protector]

Why should it be just her choice, other than the "its her body" argument. Why not compensate the woman, then when the child is born she can give up parental rights and the father can raise it?

It's her Body supplying everything after conception
It's her Body taking all the health risk
It's the way it's designed.

Until they come out with artificial wombs (they are working on them) after insemination, it's all up to the woman.

 

[Penumbra]

Speaking of an unexpected pregnancy and abortion, shouldn't daddy get a say in whether or not the fetus/baby be aborted or kept? As it stands only women are seen as worthy enough to get a say. Why shouldn't the father of the fetus/baby get a say though?

Both genders have equal responsibility when conceiving a fetus, but once formed, it is a part of the woman's body, and no further input from the man is strictly necessary. Until it reaches a certain point in development, it is completely dependent on her body alone for nutrients, growth, and life. Then, it is life threatening to her when it is born. Furthermore, society shows that when someone gets unexpectedly pregnant, it is typically the responsibility of the mother to raise it, or perhaps the mother and father in ideal cases, but rarely the father alone.

I personally would not want to get an abortion unless possibly if it was due to extreme circumstances, and if I did I would consult the father, but overall I view women as getting the final say about their bodies in the early stage of fetal development.

-Lyn

 

[Mystman]

The guy's involvement in a pregnancy can be as little as just having provided the seed - an enjoyable experience by all accounts.

The woman's involvement in a pregnancy is somewhat bigger. She has way more to gain or lose by keeping or aborting the baby. As such, she should have the final say on whether or not to keep the baby.

And sure, a guy's involvement / emotional investment can be larger, but that's something very hard to quantify and thus hard to legislate. If you're in a stable relationship with someone, you should keep your husbands wishes concerning an abortion in account. But government can't (and shouldn't want) to regulate such a personal and grey area. Just as government doesn't legislate in which cases you're allowed to "cheat" on your boyfriend.

What I personally find more interesting is whether "male abortion" should be allowed; men currently don't have any say in whether the child is kept, but they are forced to pay child support even if they decide at the first day of pregnancy that they don't want the child. Seems unfair to me.

 

[SithDoughnut]

The guy's involvement in a pregnancy can be as little as just having provided the seed - an enjoyable experience by all accounts.

The woman's involvement in a pregnancy is somewhat bigger. She has way more to gain or lose by keeping or aborting the baby. As such, she should have the final say on whether or not to keep the baby.

And sure, a guy's involvement / emotional investment can be larger, but that's something very hard to quantify and thus hard to legislate. If you're in a stable relationship with someone, you should keep your husbands wishes concerning an abortion in account. But government can't (and shouldn't want) to regulate such a personal and grey area. Just as government doesn't legislate in which cases you're allowed to "cheat" on your boyfriend.

What I personally find more interesting is whether "male abortion" should be allowed; men currently don't have any say in whether the child is kept, but they are forced to pay child support even if they decide at the first day of pregnancy that they don't want the child. Seems unfair to me.

I'd agree with that as long as their was a suitable government substitute for the financial support the man would otherwise have given.

 

[Penumbra]

What I personally find more interesting is whether "male abortion" should be allowed; men currently don't have any say in whether the child is kept, but they are forced to pay child support even if they decide at the first day of pregnancy that they don't want the child. Seems unfair to me.

That is interesting.

I haven't thought about it all that much, but I suppose my view is that if a man decides to have sex, he should be aware of the risks involved (as should the woman). One of those risks is that birth control fails, the woman gets pregnant, and does not want to go through the unnatural process of killing the zygote or fetus inside her. In that case, I think it is equally the responsibility of both people to support the child. It's definitely a tricky situation.

-Lyn

 

[allhart]

I think ya'll may need to consider God has an Moral objection......?

 

[SithDoughnut]

I think ya'll may need to consider God has an Moral objection......?

Only for those who believes he does.

 

[Penumbra]

I think ya'll may need to consider God has an Moral objection......?

Which god? I mean, the god you believe in might, and someone else's god might, but other gods may not.

-Lyn

 

[Wiccan_Child]

What I personally find more interesting is whether "male abortion" should be allowed; men currently don't have any say in whether the child is kept, but they are forced to pay child support even if they decide at the first day of pregnancy that they don't want the child. Seems unfair to me.

I think, in that case, the male should sign a legal document stating his desire for an abortion, waiving any parental rights, and voiding any legal compulsion to pay child support. He's free from the child, but at the same time, he's free from the child.

Of course, there are exceptional circumstances. If both parties agree to have unsafe sex to conceive a child, then he runs off when she announces her pregnancy, then it's tough luck matey. He should only be allowed to waive his fatherhood (as it were) if he never had any intention of having a child (with that woman, at that encounter, at least), and has no intention of being in the child's life should it be born.

Thoughts? I've never considered this particular legal niggle before, so I'm sure my impromptu declaration is riddled with holes.

 

[LJSGM]

I think neither should have a choice on whether they can kill their child or not.

 

[allhart]

Well God gives us the grace for now and there is only one God! The creator of all things!