BobRyan said: ↑
Does your church have a theology/tradition/eschatology/doctrine-on-nature-of-evil/doctrine on life in the universe/ doctrine on the second coming/doctrine on God as Creator and Savior of mankind --- that is in anyway relevant to the events described in that trailer?
The Phenomenom
The phenomenom - Bing video
How does this compare to 20 years ago?
answer: no comparison.
Flying saucers again, Bob?
It only requires magic.
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Which is right up there with being aware than your nose exists.
And all this time I thought it was Bill Thompson.
The universe seems to have lots of stuff in it. Maybe even flying saucers. Nothing in science of Scripture to prove that though, is there?
Sonuvagun.
Like, oh, Islam, or some such. Nah, not spooky enough.
Believing in Flying Saucers when none exist might fill that bill.
Sorry, "fire from heaven" is kinda old school these days, innit? We've been doing that with frightful results since at least 1939, haven't we?
Flying saucers are bunk.
Is there any thing in Revelation that isn’t metaphor, or allegory, but will literally occur, in your view?
Do demons exist today, or did they go on permanent vacation when the original apostles died?
How exactly does this relate to Bob's flying saucers? I don't see any reference in the Revelation that seems to relate to them, either literally or symbolicly.Is there any thing in Revelation that isn’t metaphor, or allegory, but will literally occur, in your view?
Let me guess, if I say that I believe that demons exist, then your argument will be that I must believe in flying saucers as well, right? My answer to that is "baloney". But if I say I don't believe in demons, then you'll declare that I don't believe the Bible, and that if I did believe the Bible, I'd believe in flying saucers as well,close? My answer to that would be roughly the same as before.Do demons exist today, or did they go on permanent vacation when the original apostles died?
Well, considering that, as I understand it, your lot doesn't believe that any of the "End Times" prophecies have ever been fulfilled, then everyone who has ever lived up up until now could have safely ignored them.Was there ever a time when warnings in God's Word about a coming event - could be "safely ignored"?
I;m sorry, but I missed the reference to flying saucers or spacemen there. You may take stuff like that as an article of faith, but I've never considered "Plan Nine From Outer Space" part of the canon.Notice what we find in 2 Thess 2.
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false
Ah, there are the flying saucers, right? Well,maybe not:13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men.
Matt 24
Was our Lord speaking to us, or His disciples? If us, then they could have ignored that warning as it didn't pertain to them. If the warning was for them, or for those a generation or ten after us, they're of only academic interest to us.24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance.
How exactly does this relate to Bob's flying saucers? I don't see any reference in the Revelation that seems to relate to them, either literally or symbolicly.
Let me guess, if I say that I believe that demons exist, then your argument will be that I must believe in flying saucers as well, right? My answer to that is "baloney". But if I say I don't believe in demons, then you'll declare that I don't believe the Bible, and that if I did believe the Bible, I'd believe in flying saucers as well,close? My answer to that would be roughly the same as before.
UFOs are almost all aircraft, natural phenomena, or observer headspace error. Flying saucers don't exist. End of.
Separate out "UFOs". A UFO is almost always a misidentified airplane. Space aliens and flying saucers? Yeah, I reject our of hand any possibility of spacemen or flying saucers have any part in the "End Times" because I see no reason to believe they exist at all. It's like saying the jabberwock may play a part in an End Times Deception. My objection is that there is no jabberwock. Whether or not there are demons is irrelevant. Saying "demons can disguise themselves as jabberwocks to decieve us" is probably true, but acting as though they will is simply silly. The whole "demons as/in flying saucers" stuff is equally silly.And I asked because you reject out of hand the possibility that space aliens/UFOs have any possibility of being part of the literal end time deception to come
I've noticed over the years that "many people" embrace ridiculous ideas, based on little or no evidence., from Revelation - despite that a list of phenomena associated with the demonic/occult is identical to close encounter phenomena that’s been reported, leading many to believe that the coming deception has the possibility of involving demons masquerading as space aliens.
I don't, and haven't. I deny that flying saucers exist, and will continue to do so until I'm showm some evidence that theyThus if you deny that the demonic realm exists
Some has, some hasn't. Our Lord hasn't returned yet, for instance. The "Mark of the beast" happened, just as the Revelator said it would to the people to whom he was writing. He wasn't warning those folks for nothing. "Hey y'all, here's a letter that tells what's going to happen in a few thousand years, just thought you'd find it interesting." No. Especially given his insistence that the reader ought to get ready, because the time was at hand, and even at the door. As I said, if that prophecy ws for us, it wasn't for them. If it was for them alone, it isn't for us. If there was stuff there for both groups, then we all ought to take heed., or claim that the prophecy in Revelation has already been fulfilled
I'm very flippant about flying saucers, as I am about haints, spooks, chupacabras, banshees, big foots, kelpies, ad infinitum. Tell me that demons will be roaming the countryside discuised as leprechauns or sky dragons (the Asian kind, they're much cooler than the European fire drakes) and you'll get the same reaction from me. I have no interest in made-up add-ons to End Times speculations, and no reason to take them seriously., or claim that the book of Revelation is all metaphor and allegory, as some do - that would explain your flippant dismissal of the form that the deception to come, might manifest as.
And I asked because you reject out of hand the possibility that space aliens/UFOs have any possibility of being part of the literal end time deception to come, from Revelation - despite that a list of phenomena associated with the demonic/occult is identical to close encounter phenomena that’s been reported, leading many to believe that the coming deception has the possibility of involving demons masquerading as space aliens.
Thus if you deny that the demonic realm exists, or claim that the prophecy in Revelation has already been fulfilled, or claim that the book of Revelation is all metaphor and allegory, as some do - that would explain your flippant dismissal of the form that the deception to come, might manifest as.
Hence my query.
I'm very flippant about flying saucers,
Well, considering that, as I understand it, your lot doesn't believe that any of the "End Times" prophecies have ever been fulfilled,
I stand corrected. So y'all are partial preterists. I had no idea. I may have been arguing with premil-dispies for too long.huh??
1260 years of Daniel 7 , Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13 ... "fulfilled"
2300 years of Daniel 8, ... "Fulfilled"
490 years of Daniel 9.... "fulfilled.
I don't hold with "7 church ages". The 7 churches were real churches.six of the 7 church ages in Rev 2 and 3 -... "completed" .. currently in the 7th church age.
You read "UFO" or "UAP" as "flying saucer". That's silly. F-117 and B-2 were both "UFOs" during their development, and they were ours. Stealth technology is giving way to "spoof" (my term) technology, faking out radar. I've mentioned using an illegal RF trick to spoof traffic radar, and that's just a redneck tinkerer's trick. What can governments with platoons of engineers pull off? Nah, it's flying saucers.But this thread is about real events reported not just in main stream news but also official confirmation by the D.O.D. and how this increasingly common news item will eventually impact the ability to evangelize non-Christians who are given no reason at all to doubt what they are seeing in the news.
I stand corrected. So y'all are partial preterists.
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