Does this thread concern anyone else?

[Dominus Fidelis]

Does this thread concern anyone else or am I just being an evil bigot or something?

(There is even a mod warning that seems to suggest that nobody should speak out against it.)

http://www.christianforums.com/t92396&page=1

Nine ways of being accessory to another's sin

By counsel.
By command.
By consent.
By provocation.
By praise or flattery.
By concealment.
By partaking.
By silence.
By defense of the ill done

I guess some Christians don't see homosexual acts as a sin anymore, but the Church teaches us differently. I know people are trying to be loving and all, but isn't it wrong to encourage someone who has decided to move in with another man?

I am honestly just very concerned for my fellow Christians.

 

[Magisterium]

I'm with you. I'm reminded however, of our Lord's words "let them alone, they are blind leaders of the blind. If the blind lead the blind, they will both fall into a pit.". Admittedly, it's tough to know where evangelizing stops and we begin to "toss our peals before swine". Additionally we know that in these last days, "people will take to themselves, teachers of their own liking". However, I think as Catholics, we can actually in many cases do more to preach against fallacy and sin by simply living the truth. I forget who said this, but I love it "preach the Gospel always, and if you have to, use words.". Above all, in living out fidelity to our Lord through obeying his Church, we bear witness to it's truth.

 

[JillLars]

(There is even a mod warning that seems to suggest that nobody should speak out against it.)

There is a time for criticism, and there are times when it is best left said in private, while some of us have different ideas of what is and isn't a sin, we need to let people know our beliefs, and let them make their own choices. The author of that thread knows the arguments, so there is no reason for people to start one in that thread. He is looking for support, and those who believe homosexuality is a sin don't have to offer it, but those who don't have every right to pray for him and wish him the best of luck.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Jill-

Yes, they have the right to wish him the best of luck. People have the right to do a lot of things. I just dont think the right to something is always the right thing to do.

 

[JillLars]

As I said, those who don't believe homosexuality is a sin have the right to wish him good luck, given their beliefs, they have no reason not to.

 

[Filia Mariae]

The fact that they don't accept the sin of homosexuality doesn't change the fact that it is a sin.

 

[Polycarp1]

I am formally requesting permission from a Moderator to present the Episcopal Church perspective here -- because it's my sincere belief that most people don't grasp the distinction that we make and how it applies to people like Matt who are confronted with having a gay sexuality. It will differ from the standard Catholic teaching on the subject. But it is not intended as "the condoning of sin" in any way.

 

[darby8]

That is correct, however three conditions must be met:

1) It has to be wrong.
2) The accused must know it is wrong.
3) The accused must intend to do the action (or inaction).

I don't condone homosexuality. It is a sin. It is a choice. But if the accused truly believes that is isn't wrong (i.e.-The accused must know it is wrong), then it isn't a sin. I wonder if they really think that way. It's topic for discussion...

On the other hand, I don't condemn the Homosexual. Just the act. That is what the Church teaches and I agree. We judge actions (or inctions), not people.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

That is correct, however three conditions must be met:

1) It has to be wrong.
2) The accused must know it is wrong.
3) The accused must intend to do the action (or inaction).

I don't condone homosexuality. It is a sin. It is a choice. But if the accused truly believes that is isn't wrong (i.e.-The accused must know it is wrong), then it isn't a sin. I wonder if they really think that way. It's topic for discussion...

On the other hand, I don't condemn the Homosexual. Just the act. That is what the Church teaches and I agree. We judge actions (or inctions), not people.

So...if I murder a baby, but dont know its wrong, then its not a sin?

 

[Miss Shelby]

Being a homosexual is not a sin. The act of homosexuality is a sin. If a person is a homosexual and truly wants to live the Christian life, then that person should be encouraged to live a chaste life. If they've decided in their mind that it's not a sin to lead a homosexual lifestyle, all we can do is tell them in love what the truth is, (that being what the Church teaches) and leave it at that.

Michelle

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Being a homosexual is not a sin. The act of homosexuality is a sin. If a person is a homosexual and truly wants to live the Christian life, then that person should be encouraged to live a chaste life. If they've decided in their mind that it's not a sin to lead a homosexual lifestyle, all we can do is tell them in love what the truth is, (that being what the Church teaches) and leave it at that.

Michelle

Yes, tell them with love that it is a sin.

Encouraging them or praising them is a sin, in and of itself, no?

 

[Miss Shelby]

Encouraging them or praising them is a sin, in and of itself, no?

I would not encourage or praise the act of homosexuality. For me to do so, knowing that it's a sin, would be a sin. Yes.

Michelle

 

[darby8]

Unfortunately, yes.

You intend to kill the baby.
Killing the baby is wrong.
You don't know that killing the baby is wrong.

It's a tragedy, but the person may be ignorant, incompetent, or simply misled. This is not a sin.

 

[darby8]

Ok, how do you guys reply to previous postings? I'm ignorant.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Unfortunately, yes.

You intend to kill the baby.
Killing the baby is wrong.
You don't know that killing the baby is wrong.

It's a tragedy, but the person may be ignorant, incompetent, or simply misled. This is not a sin.

Wow!

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Ok, how do you guys reply to previous postings? I'm ignorant.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I would not encourage or praise the act of homosexuality. For me to do so, knowing that it's a sin, would be a sin. Yes.

Michelle

Would you praise two men living together that are "in love?"

 

[Miss Shelby]

Unfortunately, yes.

You intend to kill the baby.
Killing the baby is wrong.
You don't know that killing the baby is wrong.

It's a tragedy, but the person may be ignorant, incompetent, or simply misled. This is not a sin.

Killing a baby is wrong. It is a sin. The Church teaches that people will be judged according to their knowledge by God, but it does not change the fact that certain things are sinful.

Michelle

 

[darby8]

Thanks!

 

[pmarquette]

failure to witness / speak ... Ezekiel 3.18-24
if we see a brother / sister in a mortal sin ( sin unto death - 1 Corinthians 6.9 )
and speak not to them , in love ... we will give account to God for their soul ...