Does this sadden you?

[crashedman]

Christ is being taken out of christmas?

Did Jesus have an official birth certificate so that his birth details can be verified to silence the unbelievers?

I'm not much into Christmas anymore, but it's a tradition that many countries celebrate - especially America and Australia. If you don't like it, then go away and found your own country with your own holidays. Nobody's forcing you to stay in a country who's predominant choice of religion/faith you don't like.


Crashedman

 

[Genes!s]

"If ya don't like it, don't look at it!" - good advice. But I wonder if you'd take the same position regarding (for example) public nudity? I have a feeling not. In my experience, people tend to take the position you advocate only when the thing under discussion is something they agree with.

But perhaps I'm wrong. So how about it? Public nudity - if ya don't like it, don't look at it?

For once, I'd like to debate with people who don't take statements out of context.

 

[Mish]

Were you talking to me?
I don't consider myself a hipocrite.
If you were talking to me I was just speaking what I believe.
If that makes me a hipocrite then I am a hipocrite.

No, Evee, I was talking to "JustJack!". Sorry if you felt like I was attacking you.

 

[Dukey]

Christ is being taken out of christmas?

thats why they call it xmas....next they will want to take god out of the bible

 

[mpshiel]

Well,

1) No, it does not sadden me, any more than hearing "Let the Bells Ring" by the Darkness referred to as a Christmas Carol saddens me. Christ has such a miniscule part of Christmas compared to the rituals involved that most Christians would be greatly disturbed if the manager scene, stir-up sunday, advent, trees, 3 wise men, Gifts, pagents and other customs were ripped out and there were simply sermons about how God has not forgetten His people (that was after all the message the two people who actually announced Christs arrival gave).

2) This week at church I fell on my knees before the podium, bowing myself to the great and wonderous tree that was there. "What are you doing?" I was asked. "I'm sorry," I responded, "Did I get the wrong god?"

3) I also agree that people who get ticked over what you call the season petty. I wish people a happy solistace and invite them over to do things the old fashion way at our solistace party where we will be leaping the fire "sans clothes" - some people just don't want to get into the spirit of the season - "Do you want winter to last forever?" I ask, "Some rites must be performed for the sun to return." - they however, appear to be religiously intolerant

Can we have the next topic, "Are you sad that they have turned Sun worship into Son worship?"

 

[Evee]

No, Evee, I was talking to "JustJack!". Sorry if you felt like I was attacking you.

No problem....... Yeah I guess I did but you are and will be my bud.
I am happy it wasn't me though.

 

[The Seeker]

thats why they call it xmas....next they will want to take god out of the bible

Or maybe, just maybe, its one of those abreviation thingamajimbobs I keep hearing about.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

For once, I'd like to debate with people who don't take statements out of context.

This is simply unworthy of you. I took a statement of yours, agreed with it, and extended it to another situation. Then I asked you if the statement was applicable to that situation. There's nothing whatsoever 'out of context' about that.

Instead of complaining, what you could/should do is answer my previous question, and then explain why the principle does not extend to that situation (assuming you answer in the negative). Can you do that? Or would you prefer to make unjust accusations of me?

 

[Electric Sceptic]

thats why they call it xmas....next they will want to take god out of the bible

Sorry, but that's not correct. The abbreviation 'X' for 'Christ' is, in fact, a Christian invention. It was invented by Christian monks during the Dark Ages, and is in no way removing Christ from anything. The abbreviation 'Xtians' and 'Xmas' were invented by Christians, so to claim use of those terms is somehow derogatory or taking god out of anything is simply nonsense.

 

[Monica02]

Not particularly.

Care to cite proof that Christians now celebrate the holiday of Mas instead of Christmas?

Actually Christians celebrate Mass every day of the year except Good Friday. Christmas(s) is just one particular Holy Day.

 

[JustJack!]

No, Evee, I was talking to "JustJack!". Sorry if you felt like I was attacking you.

Allright, how am I a hypocrite?

 

[Dukey]

Or maybe, just maybe, its one of those abreviation thingamajimbobs I keep hearing about.

there may be a deeper meaning to it all....we just dont know

 

[Dukey]

Sorry, but that's not correct. The abbreviation 'X' for 'Christ' is, in fact, a Christian invention. It was invented by Christian monks during the Dark Ages, and is in no way removing Christ from anything. The abbreviation 'Xtians' and 'Xmas' were invented by Christians, so to claim use of those terms is somehow derogatory or taking god out of anything is simply nonsense.

why would the monks want to remove christ from christmas....what were their motivations?....were they really christians in the first place if they could do such a thing?....they probably got this whole thing started

 

[Electric Sceptic]

why would the monks want to remove christ from christmas....what were their motivations?....were they really christians in the first place if they could do such a thing?....they probably got this whole thing started

They didn't. Using 'X' as an abbreviation for 'Christ' isn't removing anything from anywhere. It's simply an abbreviation, formed from (a) the idea that the 'X' (cross) represents the cross, and from (b) the fact that 'X' is the first letter of 'Christ' in Greek. No 'removing' Christ from anything. For you to say that monks (or anyone) who use the 'X' abbreviation aren't really Christians because of that is simply ridiculous.

 

[Mish]

This PC **** about cencoring

Do you not see something wierd about this? You complain about cencorship in a sentence with a censored word. Do you think swearing should be censored or not? Should it be on TV for kids to see? I am guesing you think no, if you think yes, should we allow snuff porn on TV? Should we censor child pornography?

It's a double standard, you are only against censorship when it impacts you, when its about something you don't care about then its all fine and dandy.

If you think the government should be allowed to censor your TV and the internet, then you must allow them to censor whatever they want, because you've just given up your rights to them.

Or you could to against censorship and think that nothing should be regulated by the government.

I hate all this half way house stuff, it is hypocrisy, and its worse because its an important issue. If you want GWBush, or Tony Blair, or whoever to tell you what you can and cannot do and say then fine, give up your freedom and your human rights. Do you want free speech or what?

I'm not big on American hostroy, but don't you have some kind of constitutional rights...?

 

[Dukey]

They didn't. Using 'X' as an abbreviation for 'Christ' isn't removing anything from anywhere. It's simply an abbreviation, formed from (a) the idea that the 'X' (cross) represents the cross, and from (b) the fact that 'X' is the first letter of 'Christ' in Greek. No 'removing' Christ from anything. For you to say that monks (or anyone) who use the 'X' abbreviation aren't really Christians because of that is simply ridiculous.

an X is not a cross....then they wouldve used the letter "t" instead....seems to me that they were slanting the cross if anything by using an X....i think you just made that up....anyone who tries to take christ out of christmas is clearly not christian....whats ridiculous is taking christ out of christmas so as to make it xmas....x is a film rating anyway....whats going on there?

 

[Archivist]

an X is not a cross....then they wouldve used the letter "t" instead....seems to me that they were slanting the cross if anything by using an X....i think you just made that up....anyone who tries to take christ out of christmas is clearly not christian....whats ridiculous is taking christ out of christmas so as to make it xmas....x is a film rating anyway....whats going on there?

You need to study your history. The following is taken from the Urban Legand website:

Claim: 'Xmas' is a modern, disrespectful abbreviation of the word 'Christmas.'

Status: False.

Origins: The X abbreviation of 'Xmas' for 'Christmas' is neither modern nor disrespectful. The notion that it is a new and vulgar representation of the word 'Christmas' seems to stem from the erroneous belief that the letter 'X' is used to stand for the word 'Christ' because of its resemblance to a cross, or that the abbreviation was deliberately concocted "to take the 'Christ' out of Christmas." Actually, this usage is nearly as old as Christianity itself, and its origins lie in the fact that the first letter in the Greek word for 'Christ' is 'chi,' and the Greek letter 'chi' is represented by a symbol similar to the letter 'X' in the modern Roman alphabet. Hence 'Xmas' is indeed perfectly legitimate abbreviation for the word 'Christmas' (just as 'Xian' is also sometimes used as an abbreviation of the word 'Christian').

 

[ajm122188]

Christ is being taken out of christmas?

It saddens me.. yes indeed it does..
God will damn those liberals after they die.. I doubt they will repent of their greed.

 

[JustJack!]

Do you not see something wierd about this? You complain about cencorship in a sentence with a censored word. Do you think swearing should be censored or not? Should it be on TV for kids to see? I am guesing you think no, if you think yes, should we allow snuff porn on TV? Should we censor child pornography?

It's a double standard, you are only against censorship when it impacts you, when its about something you don't care about then its all fine and dandy.

If you think the government should be allowed to censor your TV and the internet, then you must allow them to censor whatever they want, because you've just given up your rights to them.

Or you could to against censorship and think that nothing should be regulated by the government.

I hate all this half way house stuff, it is hypocrisy, and its worse because its an important issue. If you want GWBush, or Tony Blair, or whoever to tell you what you can and cannot do and say then fine, give up your freedom and your human rights. Do you want free speech or what?

I'm not big on American hostroy, but don't you have some kind of constitutional rights...?

Do you enjoy running your mouth off like an idiot? I barely said anything about cencorship, I didn't give my opinion on it yet your calling me a hypocrite.

I'm not going to go into this with you because you have no interest in a debate. All you care about is attacking whoever catches your eye.

Do me a favor and put me on your ignore list. I'll do the same.

 

[Phred]

If you don't like it, then go away and found your own country with your own holidays. Nobody's forcing you to stay in a country who's predominant choice of religion/faith you don't like.

This country was founded on the basis of being able to worship in any manner one wishes. That doesn't mean that if a majority worships in one manner they can force their faith upon everyone else...

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