Does this make sense.

[Freedom777]

Take a empty box close the lid and put it up in your attic for 20 years .Is it knowedge or foolish to assume that theres a chance when i open the lid that wala a little bang took place, in my box of nothing and created my own little universe.now i think thats the same thing we have assumming all this happened by chance,i dont care what anybody says thats not science and it takes a heck of a lot more faith to beleive than God created.

 

[Freodin]

So is it any less foolish to take this box, pray to God, and expect that, if you opened the box, he had created a new universe for you?

 

[Douglaangu]

Since what you've stated has NOTHING to do with the big bang theory, I dont see where you get off saying it takes more faith to believe in it.

 

[judge]

Originally posted by Freedom777
Take a empty box close the lid and put it up in your attic for 20 years .Is it knowedge or foolish to assume that theres a chance when i open the lid that wala a little bang took place, in my box of nothing and created my own little universe.now i think thats the same thing we have assumming all this happened by chance,i dont care what anybody says thats not science and it takes a heck of a lot more faith to beleive than God created.

 

Yes it's that simple. Something coming  from nothing is absurd.

 

 

 

[blader]

Originally posted by judge
 

Yes it's that simple. Something coming  from nothing is absurd.

 

 

Not as aburd as something that never came at all. =)

 

[lithium.]

I have seen so many people on this forum say that science and physics are wrong but they have no proof that what hey believe in is real no evidence of a god or anything. But no science is whats wrong. But science has facts to back up almost everything.

 

[Praxiteles]

Gee, Freedom, if what you said bore any relationship to modern cosmology at all, you might have a point!!

Alas...

Cheers,
Prax

 

[Freedom777]

Originally posted by Praxiteles
Gee, Freedom, if what you said bore any relationship to modern cosmology at all, you might have a point!!

Alas...

Cheers,
Prax

Ok the whole point I was trying to make, was that something coming from nothing, through just natural prosesses.   Takes more faith to believe than faith in a creator.   I used the Big bang theory because its a very popular one that tries to explain the evolutioary model of origins.If you believe in evolution (no god), than your stuck with explaining everything through natural processes,blind chance. Im talking the beginning now.You not only have the burden of coming up with a reasonable theory of how something came from nothing.  But than after somthing,how somthing evolves into all the known elements and also evolves all the known laws,man let me tell you i for one would hate to be in that position.but its much more i believable that God created. Than the burden becomes much more easy and closer to reason, which allows us to approach at a little different mind set. And we try to think Gods thoughts after him which reveals a goldmine understanding and propells science forward. Im sorry but evolution has not provided next to nothing in the advancment of science.Its high time that more scientists begin to interpet the evidence through a creationist framework and can the evolutionary framework as scientifically bankrupt.

 

[Praxiteles]

Hi Freedom.  I hardly know where to start with your post, but you have shown that your knowledge could be enhanced in a few areas.  I don't want to sound condescending, but I would like to point out a couple of glaring errors in your understanding...

Originally posted by Freedom777
Ok the whole point I was trying to make, was that something coming from nothing, through just natural prosesses.  

Science doesn't claim something came from nothing.  The Big Bang Theory doesn't say that something came from nothing.  The ToE certainly doesn't say something came from nothing!

You seem to be arguing against something that doesn't actually exist! *shrug*

 

Takes more faith to believe than faith in a creator.   I used the Big bang theory because its a very popular one that tries to explain the evolutioary model of origins.

Again, this is a big mistake.  The Big Bang has absolutely zero to do with evolution.  It is the cosmological theory that explains the expansion of the universe as it is observed.

The ToE is a biological theory, and that is all it is.

 

If you believe in evolution (no god),

NO!  Evolution does NOT mean no God, and whoever told you that it does is lying (yes, lying) to you.

Evolution has exactly nothing to say about God. It is a scientific explanation for the diversity of life on this planet.  And that is all it is!

 

than your stuck with explaining everything through natural processes,blind chance. Im talking the beginning now.You not only have the burden of coming up with a reasonable theory of how something came from nothing.  But than after somthing,how somthing evolves into all the known elements and also evolves all the known laws,man let me tell you i for one would hate to be in that position.but its much more i believable that God created. Than the burden becomes much more easy and closer to reason, which allows us to approach at a little different mind set. And we try to think Gods thoughts after him which reveals a goldmine understanding and propells science forward. Im sorry but evolution has not provided next to nothing in the advancment of science.Its high time that more scientists begin to interpet the evidence through a creationist framework and can the evolutionary framework as scientifically bankrupt.

Freedom, honestly and truthfully, you are arguing against something that does not exist.  I can't put it any more simply than that.

Cheers,

Prax

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by Freedom777
Ok the whole point I was trying to make, was that something coming from nothing, through just natural prosesses

The Big Bang Theory really isn't explaining how something came from "nothing". It's about something coming from a quantum singularity (at which point, all of our current physical laws break down).

I used the Big bang theory because its a very popular one that tries to explain the evolutioary model of origins.

Just don't confuse biological evolution with cosmological origins. They are completely seperate and unrelated (outside the fact that you first need a universe in order to have stuff develop within it).

If you believe in evolution (no god), than your stuck with explaining everything through natural processes,blind chance.Im talking the beginning now.

The Big Bang Theory, the Theory of Evolution, etc, say nothing about God one way or the other. God could very well have started out the universe as a quantum singularity. Trying explaining that to ancient Hebrew culture, however!

But than after somthing,how somthing evolves into all the known elements

Ever hear of something called fusion?

but its much more i believable that God created. Than the burden becomes much more easy and closer to reason, which allows us to approach at a little different mind set.

The operative word there is "easy". I would go so far as to also suggest "lazy".

Im sorry but evolution has not provided next to nothing in the advancment of science.

Then you are truly ignorant about modern biology. I hope you never have to visit the doctor.

Its high time that more scientists begin to interpet the evidence through a creationist framework and can the evolutionary framework as scientifically bankrupt.

Thing is, evolutionary theory is NOT scientifically "bankrupt". The other thing is that creation is NOT scientific (since you're starting out with a predetermined goal, then trying to make the evidence fit). If we kept doing that we'd still be stuck in the dark ages.


And once again I am beaten to the draw. I really need to learn to type faster

 

[Praxiteles]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
And once again I am beaten to the draw. I really need to learn to type faster

Touch typing courses, Pete.  You can't beat 'em!

 

[Freedom777]

Ok i'll be more specific in the future.I was addressing atheistic evolution.Im new to chats and forums,I'm beginning to learn a little bit more about y'all so I can refine what i would like to say in my posts and arguments, or debates.Hope to get into some interesting debates with y'all in the future Friends Freedom777

 

[armageddonman]

Originally posted by Freedom777
I was addressing atheistic evolution.

 

Could you explain what you mean by this? I wasn´t aware of any scientific theory thay specifically denied a god.

 

[lithium.]

WOW Freedom777 if you think that only atheist believe in evolution and science and the flood was local, then you are really wrong. Alot of christians believe the evidence that there was a local flood not a world flood, and that evolution exist, and that science is a great thing. So why do you and some people keep going after atheist i think you people need to grow up.

 

[TheBear]

Its high time that more scientists begin to interpet the evidence through a creationist framework and can the evolutionary framework as scientifically bankrupt.

God is not the author of confusion. God would not have us believe that everything was created in 6 literal days, and at the same time, saturate the earth and the universe with overwhelming contradictory evidence.

I know you mean well, my brother. But, I think you have this backawards. I think it's high time that some Christians begin to interpret the Bible as God intended it. God gave us our minds to use, for His glory.

Each time another aspect of His creation is revealed, I am more in awe of Him. He is glorified.

You don't have to answer on this board or to me, but ask yourself if there is the slightest possibility, that it is you who have the interpretation of scripture wrong. Ask yourself if you draw your conclusions based on what you were taught to believe or perhaps that it's what everyone in your congregation believes. Search the answers with prayer and meditation. Ask God to set aside everything you think you know about Biblical interpretation.

I hope you can understand where I am coming from, my friend. For I too, believed as you do.


John

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by Freedom777
I was addressing atheistic evolution.

Then like others have said, you're addressing something which doesn't exist. Evolution is does not require one must accept atheism, nor does atheism require one must accept evolution.

Arguing atheistic/naturalist philosophy is one thing. Arguing the science of evolution is something else altogether.

Im new to chats and forums,I'm beginning to learn a little bit more about y'all so I can refine what i would like to say in my posts and arguments, or debates.Hope to get into some interesting debates with y'all in the future

Look forward to it