Does the time exist?

[thehehe]

What is the time? It is different from the Time with a big T? Does the time exist, or it is just an illusion? After our death, are we still submitted in time or does it disappear? How can we explain that the time isn't the same everywhere, and that in some other galaxies it is passing more slowly? Does that mean that the time as we "picture" it is rather a concept than a concrete "thing"? Has the time always been? How could it just appear like this? Is the Time almighty? Do our lives begin out of time?

Sorry for this messy thread, my mind is messy as well.. I thought it would be interesting to have the opinion of both believers and unbelievers, in fact, to have a certain diversity of answers on the subject.

 

[SkyWriting]

What is the time? It is different from the Time with a big T? Does the time exist, or it is just an illusion? After our death, are we still submitted in time or does it disappear? How can we explain that the time isn't the same everywhere, and that in some other galaxies it is passing more slowly? Does that mean that the time as we "picture" it is rather a concept than a concrete "thing"? Has the time always been? How could it just appear like this? Is the Time almighty? Do our lives begin out of time?Sorry for this messy thread, my mind is messy as well.. I thought it would be interesting to have the opinion of both believers and unbelievers, in fact, to have a certain diversity of answers on the subject.

It seems that God exists outside of time.
Many "miracles," as we classify them, give
the impression that "things happen" outside
of our time stream.

CREATION of the universe, including plants, animals and humans (Genesis 1-2)
SUPERNATURAL CONCEPTION—Isaac conceived by very elderly Sarah and 100 year old Abraham at Gerar (Gen. 21:1)
The SUN AND MOON STAYED MOTIONLESS (longer day) to enable the Israelites to win a crucial battle (Josh. 10:12-14)
DISEASE AND HEALING—Jeroboam’s hand instantly withered and then restored (1 Kings 13:4-6)
Naaman instantly healed of leprosy, Gehazi instantly afflicted with it (2 Kings 5:10-27)
Syrian army smitten with blindness at Dothan (2 Kings 6:18)
King Uzziah instantly struck with leprosy, Jerusalem (2 Chr. 26:16-21)
2 blind men healed(Matt 9:27-31)
Deaf and dumb man healed (Mark 7:31-37)

Adam was originally eternal.
21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

This could be because time "did not begin" until Adam sinned.
So, time is a way to measure our decay towards the first death.
"Time" is an indicator of our sinful condition.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

To me, time does not exist.

But it's a conceptual instrument (and a very important on at that) used to record progress. But in this world there is only what is, not what has been, or what will be. There is no trace of the me that existed 5 seconds before I click the post button. There is only me that exists right now in this moment as I read new posts.

Similar to math. Math doesn't exist either, but the concepts and systems of math has done so much for progress in this world. But there is no random 5's and 12's floating around to be examined and observed. No natural calculus operations just being born, but it's undeniable the power that math holds.

 

[Paradoxum]

I'd guess it exists. It could be a process rather than a thing.

Relativity doesn't mean time doesn't exist. Travelators don't mean space doesn't exist.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Time is the recognition that matter moves over distance consecutively. That is, if we are talking along the lines of molecular time. Time is just a way to refer to that observation. Is time consistent? It can in fact vary, depending on the speed at which one moves, among other factors.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Time is nothing without Morris Day.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

To me, time does not exist.

But it's a conceptual instrument (and a very important on at that) used to record progress. But in this world there is only what is, not what has been, or what will be. There is no trace of the me that existed 5 seconds before I click the post button. There is only me that exists right now in this moment as I read new posts.

Similar to math. Math doesn't exist either, but the concepts and systems of math has done so much for progress in this world. But there is no random 5's and 12's floating around to be examined and observed. No natural calculus operations just being born, but it's undeniable the power that math holds.

Do chessboards exit? One space they're black, another they're white...

 

[DogmaHunter]

In the most "philosophic" way I can state it, I'ld say that "time is movement".

 

[juvenissun]

What is the time? It is different from the Time with a big T? Does the time exist, or it is just an illusion? After our death, are we still submitted in time or does it disappear? How can we explain that the time isn't the same everywhere, and that in some other galaxies it is passing more slowly? Does that mean that the time as we "picture" it is rather a concept than a concrete "thing"? Has the time always been? How could it just appear like this? Is the Time almighty? Do our lives begin out of time?

Sorry for this messy thread, my mind is messy as well.. I thought it would be interesting to have the opinion of both believers and unbelievers, in fact, to have a certain diversity of answers on the subject.

God uses the sun, moon and stars to give us the sense of time we need. Gen 1:14.
That is it. We do not know anything else about time.

 

[juvenissun]

Time is the recognition that matter moves over distance consecutively. That is, if we are talking along the lines of molecular time. Time is just a way to refer to that observation. Is time consistent? It can in fact vary, depending on the speed at which one moves, among other factors.

And you are so sure that the age of the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Right?

 

[Shempster]

time is just one more dimension, the 5th if you will

 

[Eudaimonist]

What is the time?

As I see it, time is our way of conceptualizing change.

It is different from the Time with a big T?

I don't know what Time with a big T is supposed to be. If it is meant to suggest that time exists as something apart from nature, I don't believe in that.

Does the time exist, or it is just an illusion?

What it refers to -- change -- is fully real. Without change, I would not have been able to type in this post.

After our death, are we still submitted in time or does it disappear?

We no longer exist after death.

How can we explain that the time isn't the same everywhere, and that in some other galaxies it is passing more slowly?

Change involves relations between entities. Einstein's Relativity explains how this operates.

Does that mean that the time as we "picture" it is rather a concept than a concrete "thing"?

Yeah, pretty much.

Has the time always been?

Time has existed for all of Time.

I don't know if the past is infinite or finite. I'm guessing finite, but I can't say that I know for certain.

How could it just appear like this?

Since time pertains to the phenomenon of change, all you need are entities that change by the nature of what they are, just as current entities change now.

Is the Time almighty?

I'm not sure what you are asking. I don't think that Time is a deity. It's just an aspect of existence.

Do our lives begin out of time?

I have no clue what that is supposed to mean.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

time is just one more dimension, the 5th if you will

Don't you mean 4th?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

God uses the sun, moon and stars to give us the sense of time we need. Gen 1:14.
That is it. We do not know anything else about time.

Too bad you wasted your time getting that PhD in geology. I guess that you shouldn't have bothered doing something that would generate more knowledge than stated in the Bible.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Shempster]

Don't you mean 4th?


eudaimonia,

Mark

No I think the fourth dimension has something to do with jazz music. Something about opening the pit of hell or something similar.

 

[PsychoSarah]

And you are so sure that the age of the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Right?

The variation of time via molecular energy isn't great enough for our planet not to be billions of years old. The range of difference for how matter can move without being destroyed is fractions of seconds to seconds at most, not even close to enough to make dating objects an issue. Not unless they were near a black hole, but the fact that our planet exists as it is means that it never was in a black hole.

Additionally, the energy required to make molecular time go faster would also irradiate particles, so even if the earth was in a "fast forward" state, that period of time would be effectively missing from radioactive dating. Thus, if there is an error based on this, the age would err on the YOUNG side, not the old side.

 

[juvenissun]

Too bad you wasted your time getting that PhD in geology. I guess that you shouldn't have bothered doing something that would generate more knowledge than stated in the Bible.
eudaimonia,

Mark

The education is critical to me. Otherwise, I would not understand how to count time. (Do you think the atomic clock, or rock layers, has nothing to do with the sun, moon and stars?)

 

[juvenissun]

The variation of time via molecular energy isn't great enough for our planet not to be billions of years old. The range of difference for how matter can move without being destroyed is fractions of seconds to seconds at most, not even close to enough to make dating objects an issue. Not unless they were near a black hole, but the fact that our planet exists as it is means that it never was in a black hole.

Additionally, the energy required to make molecular time go faster would also irradiate particles, so even if the earth was in a "fast forward" state, that period of time would be effectively missing from radioactive dating. Thus, if there is an error based on this, the age would err on the YOUNG side, not the old side.

This is a thread about time, not about radiometric dating.
I think you are trying to comfort yourself.

 

[durangodawood]

To me, time does not exist.

But it's a conceptual instrument (and a very important on at that) used to record progress. ....

Sounds contradictory,
I mean, "progress" is change. Change is only defined in terms of time.

 

[Davian]

It seems that God exists outside of time.

Where is that? Is that like being outside of width?