Does the Thief on the Cross bypass the Invesigative Judgement..

[JohnMarsten]

Again, you are making false statements without knowing your facts...

The civil war and the San Francisco earthquake are but two...

oh...

Ok, any chances of providing quotes?

 

[JohnMarsten]

Any prophesy is hard to understand when it hasn't happened yet... thats why historical record is so important. You don't think the Sunday law prophesy is hard for people to understand?

I think the prophecy is not a prophecy in itself but rather an explanation/interpretation of another prophecy (namely revelation13),further repacked in a prophecy if you will...

 

[Stryder06]

I think people are not writing against egw because she was imperfect or without sin, that would be absurd in itself.

The thing is always regarding doctrine and cousel which either go directly against bible teaching, bible logic or even might have dire consequences...

another point for me is that she is not like the bible prophets of old IMHO, while the others wrote down visions that were hard to understand egw was more of an autoritative commentary on the whole bible, that turns down private thinking, none of her prophetic visions ever really came to pass...

You have to consider that the bible was a work in progress during the days of old. Most of the prophets worked as spiritual advisers to the Kings and Judges during the days of Israel. They always worked to reprove the actions of the people, and were usually met with condemnation, persecution, and even death at times. To say her councils go directly against scripture is untrue. They go against the mainline understanding of certain issues, but that doesn't mean they go against scripture.

 

[JohnMarsten]

You have to consider that the bible was a work in progress during the days of old. Most of the prophets worked as spiritual advisers to the Kings and Judges during the days of Israel. They always worked to reprove the actions of the people, and were usually met with condemnation, persecution, and even death at times. To say her councils go directly against scripture is untrue. They go against the mainline understanding of certain issues, but that doesn't mean they go against scripture.

the bible can become a tool of manipulation in the hands of evil men...

 

[Stryder06]

the bible can become a tool of manipulation in the hands of evil men...

How do you define "Evil men"? The bible can be used by the unknowing as a tool of manipulation.

 

[JohnMarsten]

How do you define "Evil men"? The bible can be used by the unknowing as a tool of manipulation.

evil men are evil men

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

evil men are evil men

That clears it up...lol

 

[JohnMarsten]

That clears it up...lol

nothing goes against some serious circular reasoning...

 

[Stryder06]

nothing goes against some serious circular reasoning...

What circular reasoning?

 

[reddogs]

You have to consider that the bible was a work in progress during the days of old. Most of the prophets worked as spiritual advisers to the Kings and Judges during the days of Israel. They always worked to reprove the actions of the people, and were usually met with condemnation, persecution, and even death at times. To say her councils go directly against scripture is untrue. They go against the mainline understanding of certain issues, but that doesn't mean they go against scripture.

Well some like Moses were chosen out of a completely different environment.

 

[stinsonmarri]

as since the Thief was given the promise that he would be in paradise by Christ himself.....give your answer and I will be back later...

When it is understood clearly about the Investigated Judgment which is Rev Chapter 4-7 then all will understand that there is a sealing process. The Chapter that explain this is the one not clearly understood. Rev Chapter six is a panorama or the Book of Life being open. YAHSHUA, the LAMB has taken from HIS FATHER'S Hands this Book. It opens it given symbolically the number four which represents the four corners of the earth. The horses represent the earth as it goes through time because of man sins. The first rider is Adam and Eve because this the only time the earth was perfect. A bow and a single crown show they were to subdue the earth as king and queen. The thief was sealed under the black horse. This horse represent paganism that started by Nimrod had become dominant and commercial and trade begins. That is because man was scatter all over the earth and also the earth became divided to keep man from uniting together. We are united globally now and YAHSHUA is about to return. The black horse sealing of ELOHIM'S people was from Nimrod through the Apostles. So yes he was sealed during the Investigated Judgment that started in 1844. YAHSHUA started with those who had died but either obeyed who names remain in the Book. Those who knew HIM but fail back in sin and there names have been blotted out. The judgment now is the six seal that will go into the Time of Trouble when the 144,000 will testify and the great multitude will be seal and the phase of IJ will end!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri