Does the Scientific Method require Faith?

[RickG]

I think it's funny, and I praise the Lord every time you guys have to give up and file something under FALSIFIABLE.

Falsifiable only means that something can be tested and found to be either true or false.

That shows me your science can't even begin to touch such out-of-reach concepts as creatio ex nihilo and Genesis 1.

The basic laws of physics demonstrate that creatio ex nihilo is does not happen.

 

[AV1611VET]

Falsifiable only means that something can be tested and found to be either true or false.

It seems to come with an unusually long shelf-life.

 

[Jazer]

Since the only world you are willing to admit to,
is what you perceive with your 5 physical senses, if that much,
you are left with: Knowledge is testable, subject to disproof.
iow, you start off Wrong: what a predicament!

Actually the sixth sense does seem to be testable.

Is There a Sixth Sense? | Psychology Today

 

[Grizzly]

It can start off wrong?

Can you name one thing you guys ever got right the first time?

Just one?

You guys? Who are you talking about? We all use knowledge. Everyone does.

 

[Grizzly]

Yes, as Christian scientists, we know that in REAL reality
there's no such thing as supernatural.
You only call it that, because you refuse, to accept God's realm.

Christian scientists, by definition, acknowledge that the scientific method is confined to the natural world. Otherwise they wouldn't be scientists.

Since the only world you are willing to admit to,
is what you perceive with your 5 physical senses, if that much,
you are left with: Knowledge is testable, subject to disproof.
iow, you start off Wrong: what a predicament!

Are you this condescending in real life? Or only on the internet?

I never said anything about only my five senses and what I am willing to believe. But knowledge is testable and subject to disproof. If its not, then its not knowledge.

Were you to Start out RIGHT , you could forego all
that ridiculous back-peddling; and actually get somewhere.

Backpeddling? Have I asserted something and then taken it back? I don't think so. I've been pretty consistent in this thread.

This is why we know that science is but in its infancy; and you have not yet even begun to scratch the surface of all there is to KNOW...

this is the closest that we may agree on something. Science may be in its infancy - its hard to say. But so far, science has been doing some fantastic things. The discovery of germ theory has doubled our life expectancy. The mastery of electromagnetism allows us to bring the power of lightening into every home. We can fly around the world, communicate instantly we each other from anywhere, and do a host of other things that were seemingly impossible without the knowledge brought forth through scientific inquiry. I believe the accomplishments of science stack well against the accomplishments of faith.

 

[Habakk]

The basic laws of physics demonstrate that creatio ex nihilo is does not happen.

Yes maybe the basic laws of physics do, if we are talking about a closed system.

The basic laws like entropy and conservation of energy/matter are all dependent on a closed system, the closed system being the universe. However in quantum physics we have a little thing known as quantum vacuum fluctuations also known as virtual particles (particle-antiparticle pairs). These particle pairs come into detectible but brief existence and are in agreement with Heisenberg uncertainty and produce empirical measurable effects such as Lamb shift and Casimir-Polder force. Note this is a very common phenomenon in so called empty space.

There are other examples of such phenomenon and to say that creatio ex nihilo is violating laws of physics would not be true.

 

[juvenissun]

Pseudoscience, not science.

Pseudoscience is a type of science. It fits the basic definition of science.
Art, sociology, etc. are also pseudosciences.

 

[Grizzly]

Pseudoscience is a type of science. It fits the basic definition of science.
Art, sociology, etc. are also pseudosciences.

Pseudo means false. False science is not science. It might look like science, but its not.

 

[chilehed]

I see that no one's willing to discuss the presuppositions of all scientific observation. Very interesting.

 

[roach]

I see that no one's willing to discuss the presuppositions of all scientific observation. Very interesting.

....which are?

 

[juvenissun]

Pseudo means false. False science is not science. It might look like science, but its not.

Pseudo- is a description. Even it means false, but "falseScience" is a type of science. If it is not science, then don't call it "xxx_science".

Such as art. Art is NOT science. "Political Science" is a department or a school of wrong name.

 

[juvenissun]

I see that no one's willing to discuss the presuppositions of all scientific observation. Very interesting.

If you want to talk about "scientific observation", you need to know which one is and which one is not.

Watch Obama to handle government business is NOT an "scientific observation" no matter how you look at it.

 

[Grizzly]

Pseudo- is a description. Even it means false, but "falseScience" is a type of science. If it is not science, then don't call it "xxx_science".

Is Atheism a type of Theism? Is baldness a hair color? Is A the same thing as not A? No, no, and no.

 

[chilehed]

....which are?

That the human mind is rational, and that it is capable of making observations which conform to reality.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Actually
the sixth sense does seem to be testable.
Is There a Sixth Sense? | Psychology Today

Yes, in fact this '6th. sense' (of the nigh unlimited abilities) God has Blessed us with,
is our most Important, when you become aware of it, and practice... it.

1. Clairvoyance (information received from a distant place) is like second sight.
2. Precognition (information received from a distant time).
3. Telepathy (mind-to-mind communication)

These & more all transcend the usual boundaries of space and time.
In fact, in them you learn (outside this conscious/'asleep=reality') there's no such thing as time.

And yes, these have all been Tested, and Good beneficial applications found.
.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Yes, in fact this '6th. sense' (of the nigh unlimited abilities) God has Blessed us with,
is our most Important, when you become aware of it, and practice... it.

1. Clairvoyance (information received from a distant place) is like second sight.
2. Precognition (information received from a distant time).
3. Telepathy (mind-to-mind communication)

These & more all transcend the usual boundaries of space and time.
In fact, in them you learn (outide this conscious/'asleep=reality') there's no such thing as time.

And yes, these have all been Tested, and Good beneficial applications found.
.

Really? Well then I have fantastic news for you.
All you have to do is demonstrate any of those 3 abilities and you will be the proud owner of 1 million dollars, not to mention full credit for the discovery. (Apply to the james randy educational foundation to set up the test.)

If however this is one of those 'special abilities' that dry up under the light of skepticism.. Well I guess the above isnt quite true.


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Although this explains alot.

(outide this conscious/'asleep=reality'

If you think powers you have in your dreams are reality, I guess I have the power of flight.(well its more like floatingish)

 

[sk8Joyful]

Really?
Well then I have fantastic news for you.
All you have to do is demonstrate any of those 3 abilities
and you will be the proud owner of 1 million dollars,
not to mention full credit for the discovery.
(Apply to the james randy educational foundation to set up the test.)
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Although this explains alot.
If you think powers you have in your dreams are reality,
I guess I have the power of flight.(well its more like floatingish)

No self-respecting, and Trained person would ever stoop to the likes of a fake like that,
who goes out of his way to DISprove these abilities.

When there's so much work to be done.

And as far as your misinterpretation, re the statement:
"(outside this conscious/'asleep=reality')"; well you entirely misunderstood.
Iow, you demonstrate your ignorance on this subject, yet again.

Since you entire purpose of responding as you did,
was to only make fun of, I'll not bother explaining.
Why waste my precious time on ..... that would be beyond silly.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

No self-respecting, and Trained person would ever stoop to the likes of a fake like that,
who goes out of his way to DISprove these abilities.

When there's so much work to be done.

And as far as your misinterpretation, re the statement:
"(outside this conscious/'asleep=reality')"; well you entirely misunderstood.
Iow, you demonstrate your ignorance on this subject, yet again.

Since you entire purpose of responding as you did,
was to only make fun of, I'll not bother explaining.
Why waste my precious time on ..... that would be beyond silly.

Well I did not mean to offend you, its just that surely you agree that your claim currently has roughly the same amount of evidence behind it as alien abduction, repilian goverment and faith healing(That is to say, all of it anecdotal).. So you can understand the skepticism.

I always get suspicious when these psychic power users start defaming magicians who are skeptical of their powers, instead of simply doing the test and blowing that skeptics mind. Especially when said magician has been known to expose the tricks used by other psychics, I would think you would be happy knowing fraudsters who are defaming the field are getting busted and would be eager to show that some really do have the power.

 

[davedajobauk]

Yes, in fact this '6th. sense' (of the nigh unlimited abilities) God has Blessed us with,
is our most Important, when you become aware of it, and practice... it.

1. Clairvoyance (information received from a distant place) is like second sight.
2. Precognition (information received from a distant time).
3. Telepathy (mind-to-mind communication)

These & more all transcend the usual boundaries of space and time.
In fact, in them you learn (outside this conscious/'asleep=reality') there's no such thing as time.

And yes, these have all been Tested, and Good beneficial applications found.
.

#1. God sees everything _we are made in His image/ not equal, with God
#2 Is awareness of a forthcoming event
#3 Means somewhat more-than, the grumblings of the heart



clairvoyance: Definition from Answers.comprecognition: Definition from Answers.com

precognition: Definition from Answers.com

Telepathy | Define Telepathy at Dictionary.com


Maybe, something-like 'Divine-Intuition' is what you are 'getting-at'

As has been said;
PROOF goes a lot-further, than simply, 'making claims'

Perhaps, you might care to offer, some form, of substantiation /evidence

dave

 

[RickG]

Yes maybe the basic laws of physics do, if we are talking about a closed system.

The basic laws like entropy and conservation of energy/matter are all dependent on a closed system, the closed system being the universe. However in quantum physics we have a little thing known as quantum vacuum fluctuations also known as virtual particles (particle-antiparticle pairs). These particle pairs come into detectible but brief existence and are in agreement with Heisenberg uncertainty and produce empirical measurable effects such as Lamb shift and Casimir-Polder force. Note this is a very common phenomenon in so called empty space.

There are other examples of such phenomenon and to say that creatio ex nihilo is violating laws of physics would not be true.

Quantum physics explains what Newtonian Physics and Relativity cannot. There are things quantum physics cannot explain. I don't know of any physics that can explain "creatio ex nihilo". But I have in the past run across published research that has tested "something from nothing" in relation to the big bang and found that it does not work.

Nevertheless, whether things can come from nothing or not, I do not believe they can.