does the phrase 'in the beginning...'

[Rudolph Hucker]

This is the first time I have seen you deny the Bible as a credible source.

 

[theFijian]

that is not proof that it was a natural process. i have hebrews 11 and other verses that say it was by God's spoken word alone that did it.

Heb 11 is an examination on what it means to have faith, it tells us that God created by his word, I do not dispute that. By his word he commanded the earth to 'bring forth', and it did as Gen 1:24 tells us.

you haven't provided anything but a phrase to support your point, you need more than that to show credibility.

I have dealt with Heb 11 and Gen 1:24. You are the one who is simply hanging on one phrase, you need to deal with Gen 1:24 which you have failed to do.

so you are saying that if i run across the phrase 'and judas hung himself' then the phrase 'go and do thou likewise' that i should take that as the true word of God telling me what i should do?

If you wanted to take two unrelated verses and apply them out of context you could do what you are suggesting. But I was taking two consecutive verses and taking them in context together, why you would want me to do differently is a bit puzzling.

you need to provide more than what you have been offering to be seen as providing anything credible.

Wow. So scripture isn't credible anymore? What a sad day.

 

[archaeologist]

Heb 11 is an examination on what it means to have faith,

here is the rest of heb. 11:3 "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command. so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."

sorry but your twist doesn't fit.

I have dealt with Heb 11 and Gen 1:24.

no you haven't, you have just presented your opinion but have offered no verses which support your position,
no p[roof, no exegetical evidence nothing.

If you wanted to take two unrelated verses and apply them out of context you could do what you are suggesting. But I was taking two consecutive verses and taking them in context together, why you would want me to do differently is a bit puzzling

such charges and claims are not worth debating ...

 

[theFijian]

here is the rest of heb. 11:3 "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command. so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."

yes, the universe was formed at God's command. And at God's command the 'earth brought forth' the living creatures living as per Gen 1:24. God creating through natural processes fits both Gen 1:24,25 and Heb 11.

sorry but your twist doesn't fit.

such charges and claims are not worth debating ...

no you haven't, you have just presented your opinion but have offered no verses which support your position,
no p[roof, no exegetical evidence nothing.

such charges and claims are not worth debating ...

 

[ExpatChristian]

Archie. I think as Christian it is important to recognise that the Bible is a credible source. In another thread you claim that God wrote the Bible (while others claim that people inspired by God wrote the Bible). But nonetheless, if one takes your even stronger connection between God and the word and accept that God personally wrote the Bible, then it is even more important to accept the Bible as a credible source. How can you not accept the authority of God and claim to be a Christian? I think you need to review your understanding of what it means to be a true Christian.

 

[archaeologist]

yes, the universe was formed at God's command. And at God's command the 'earth brought forth' the living creatures living as per Gen 1:24. God creating through natural processes fits both Gen 1:24,25 and Heb 11.

only if you read into the texts what isn't there.

 

[KokoTheGorilla]

such charges and claims are not worth debating ...

Please debating!
Koko want to reading and Koko missing Archie because Archie say goodbye to Koko forum and Koko make farewell song for Archie!

 

[archaeologist]

to get back on track, do the words 'in the beginning' restrict the creation models that can be constructed?

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

Archie

When did "the beginning" take place? Has it ended yet?

 

[archaeologist]

let's do it again


to get back on track, do the words 'in the beginning' restrict the creation models that can be constructed?

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

Archie, it's July 4 over there.

You'll have to wait till tomorrow.

 

[theFijian]

only if you read into the texts what isn't there.

Only if you ignore what clearly is there in the text. The 'earth brough forth', you need to deal with it.

 

[archaeologist]

[Only if you ignore what clearly is there in the text. The 'earth brough forth', you need to deal with it./QUOTE]

if you only have one phrase and you limit that phrase to only one option then you have nothing as i have all the rest of the chapter, all the creation scriptures which support a 6 day supernatural event.

you are not basing your theory on solid ground.

 

[ExpatChristian]

Bottom line is that if God is eternal, then there cannot be a beginning can there? And in an eternity, a million years is still infinitely small to God (so a day is relative). God is an infinitely intelligent God, and though he made us in his own image, this intelligence was not infinitely instilled in the image. But in some it is definitely more finite than in others.

 

[theFijian]

if you only have one phrase and you limit that phrase to only one option then you have nothing as i have all the rest of the chapter, all the creation scriptures which support a 6 day supernatural event.

I've already told you that Heb 11, Gen 1:24 and 25 support my assertion. And it's a bit rich for you to bleat on about 'one phrase' when this whole thread of yours is based upon one phrase... 'in the beginning'. Now there's inconsistency for you!

 

[archaeologist]

I've already told you that Heb 11, Gen 1:24 and 25 support my assertion

i am supposed to take your word for it whenyo provide no proof. not a chance. hebrews 11 and gen. 1 support my side not yours plus i have exodus, ps. job and other passages on my side as well.

And it's a bit rich for you to bleat on about 'one phrase' when this whole thread of yours is based upon one phrase... 'in the beginning'. Now there's inconsistency for you!

i posed a question with that phrase and have not built a theology out of it nor base my entire belief system on a phrase taken out of context.

i am not being inconsistant but pointing out that you use one phrase to justify your whole acceptance of evolution while i use that one phrase to point out that when is not the issue.

quite a difference i believe.

 

[Critias]

But in some it is definitely more finite than in others.

 

[archaeologist]

ignore them critias, they are only here to stalk and harass me.

 

[Critias]

ignore them critias, they are only here to stalk and harass me.

I choose not to. As Christians we really ought to be looking at how we treat each other, Christian or not.

One is not following God's commandments or Jesus' teachings when insults are being thrown around, as they are, here.

 

[archaeologist]

up to you but you only help them succeed in derailing a thread.