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Does the locality of physical uniqueness allow death and decay?

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It is generating a scalar volume in spacetime. A physical object can't be in all possible paths of interference because its weight would multiply. We are talking about the unobservable side of QM bridging over. This reality is is a closed system inside infinite coherence.
 
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It is generating a scalar volume in spacetime. A physical object can't be in all possible paths of interference because its weight would multiply. We are talking about the unobservable side of QM bridging over. This reality is is a closed system inside infinite coherence.
I wasn't suggesting a physical object, but what about a field, e.g. a quantum field? fields are physical.
 
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Does a place that allows death, decay, and disorder, sound like a place consciousness could handle for infinity? We are in a place that has physical uniqueness ..a place that allows us to be about ourselves. Does an act entailing only you have a Biblical definition?
 
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What field is physical? They are coherent until there is an excitation. ..decoherence in a coherent system.
Is that so?
Then explain the presence of an electric field around an electron or the self energy of a photon as defined by the one loop Feynman diagram.

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Can you touch a field? What are you saying makes it physical? Decoherence is physical. It can be a finite wave packet. It is disorder of an orderly coherent wave.
In essence yes, I can measure the electric field.

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Can you touch a field? What are you saying makes it physical? Decoherence is physical. It can be a finite wave packet. It is disorder of an orderly coherent wave.
A 10 tonne rock isn't quantum definable. Yet your criteria for what is 'physical' is decoherence (which is quantum).

Therefore, are you saying a rock isn't 'physical', or is there some other criteria for 'physical' which you haven't mentioned?
 
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Yeah ..uhh, what is measurement to you? ..It's Decoherence.
You answer is based on incoherence not decoherence.
Electric fields are also measured in a vacuum which according to your definition is not possible because the field is in a coherent system.

Quantum fields are modelled around "single" harmonic oscillators occupying points in space-time.
By definition alone you can't have a coherent system based on a single oscillator.
From classical physics you need at least two light sources to form a coherent system or two or more entangled particles to form quantum coherence.

The fact that electrons and photons coexist with fields contradicts your idea as it leads to the conclusion a system can be both coherent and decoherent simultaneously which is illogical.
 
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Why can we send atoms into the double slit and still get coherent interference patterns?
And now your conflating quantum mechanics with quantum field theory.
You were the one that brought up the subject of fields.

Hopefully this video will give you a basic understanding of quantum field theory.

 
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What field is physical? They are coherent until there is an excitation. ..decoherence in a coherent system.
Fields describe something that has a physical value at every point in space. Being coherent doesn't make something non-physical - something physical must exist in order to decohere. Superpositions are real and physical.
 
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Fields describe something that has a physical value at every point in space. Being coherent doesn't make something non-physical - something physical must exist in order to decohere. Superpositions are real and physical.

Vectors in a field are not physical. Non-local and coherence are both unobservable. I already told you it is impossible for something in superposition to be real.
 
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