NorrinRadd said:This has the earth being about 3x as massive as the sun. I think perhaps you mean Mass of earth = 5.97219 x 10^24 kg Mass of sun = 1.9891 x 10^30 kg That has the sun being on the order of 1 million times more massive than the earth.
observable events is why we believe the earth to go round the sun. We observed it, therefore it is.JacobLaw said:"Airey's Failure" - YouTube http://youtu.be/fDkIvYKW2H8 Earth From Space - Clearly the Earth does not move - YouTube The Static Earth - The Geostationary Model works! - YouTube Observable events is true science; it make you wonder how someone can believe that the earth orbits the sun, especially in light of the axiomatic undisputable scriptures evidences and substance of faith that the Christian bible contains. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Paul (a Geocentric Christian) warned Timothy (also a Geocentric Christian) and all Christian that false science would work to undermine the scriptures. It is amazing that this warning is basically ignored by christians today, evolution, heliocentric, and no inspired bible are the rule in the christian church; while those that hold a 6 day creation, Geocentric Universe, and an inspired bible (King James Bible) are mocked, ridiculed, and persecuted. Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Mind you this prophets before us were also Geocentric John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. I am not surprise though because this scripture makes it clear all this would happen! O yea Jesus was Geocentric also, as was Daniel; Daniel 1:4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
You know, if I think too deeply about that, I can be upset on behalf of the real martyrs. Anyone who wishes to call themselves "persecuted" should do a little reading. See what martyrs have actually suffered (unto death) and what they were proclaiming (the Gospel, faith in Christ - not arguing about the details of creation and the universe).
That your choice believe the bible or don't believe it.
I don't think that's the choice at all. The Bible talks about the earth having four corners - so is it square or rectangular then?
So what are you saying; you don't believe the bible either?
Here they are again but not limited too.
Sixty-Seven Scriptural References
Which Tell Us That It Is The Sun
And Not The Earth That Moves
Genesis 15:12...... "...and when the sun was going down..."
15:17..... "...when the sun went down..."
19:23..... "The sun was risen upon the earth."
28:11..... "...because the sun was set...."
32:31..... "...the sun rose...."
Exodus 17:12..... "...until the going down of the sun...."
22:3...... "...if the sun be risen upon him...."
22:26.... "...the sun goeth down...."
Leviticus 22:7...... "...And when the sun is down...."
Numbers 2:3........ "...toward the rising of the sun...."
Deuteronomy 11:30..... "...the way where the sun goeth down...."
16:6....... "...at the going down of the sun...."
23:11..... "...when the sun is down...."
24:13..... "...when the sun goeth down...."
24:15..... "...neither shall the sun go down...."
Joshua 1:4..... "...the going down of the sun...."
8:29... "...as soon as the sun was down...."
10:12.. "...Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon...."
10:13.. "...and the sun stood still...."
10:27.. "...the time of the going down of the sun...."
12:1.... "...toward the rising of the sun...."
Judges 5:31.... "...as the sun when he goeth down...."
8:13.... "...before the sun was up...."
9:33.... "...as soon as the sun is up...."
14:18.... "...before the sun went down...."
19:14.... "...and the sun went down...."
II Samuel 2:24.... "...the sun went down...."
3:35.... "...till the sun be down...."
23:4..... "...when the sun riseth...."
I Kings 22:36.... "...the going down of the sun...."
I Chronicles 16:30.... "...the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved...."
II Chronicles 18:34.... "...time of the sun going down...."
Job 9:7.... "...commandeth the sun and it riseth not...."
Job 26:7.... "...He hangeth the earth upon nothing...."
Psalm 19:4.... "...tabernacle for the sun...."
19:5 ... "...cometh out to run...."
19:6.... "...goes forth in a circle from one end of heaven to the other...."
50:1.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
93:1.... "...the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved...."
104:19.. "...the sun knoweth his going down...."
104:22.. "...the sun ariseth...."
113:3.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
Ecclesiastes 1:5.... "...The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down
and hasteth to the place where he arose...."
Isaiah 13:10.... "...sun shall be darkened in his going...."
38:8...... "...is gone down on the sundial of Ahaz...."
38:8...... "...so the sun returned...."
41:25.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
45:6...... "...from the rising of the sun...."
59:19.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
60:20.... "...the sun shall no more go down...."
Jeremiah 15:9.... "...her sun is gone down while it was yet day...."
Daniel 6:14.... "...going down of the sun...."
Amos 8:9.... "...cause the sun to go down at noon...."
Jonah 4:8.... "...when the sun did arise...."
Micah 3:6.... "...and the sun shall go down...."
Nahum 3:17.... "...when the sun ariseth...."
Habakkuk 3:11.... "...the sun and moon stood still in their habitation...."
Malachi 1:11.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
Matthew 5:45.... "...for He maketh His sun to rise...."
13:6..... "...and when the sun was up...."
Mark 1:32.... "...when the sun did set...."
4:6...... "...when the sun was up...."
16:2...... "...at the rising of the sun...."
Luke 4:40.... "...when the sun was setting...."
Ephesians 4:26.... "...let not the sun go down upon your wrath...."
James 1:11.... "...for the sun is no sooner risen...."
That is a Total of 67 Verses in 35 Books of the Bible Which Say
that It Is the Sun that Moves and Not the Earth!
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Here is the number of Verses and Books from the Bible Which Say
that It Is the Earth that Moves and Not the Sun:
0
So what are you saying; you don't believe the bible either?
Just because he doesn't agree with your own interpretation?
What he said!.....Hey newb, read the rules and knock off the attitude.
Everybody here believes the bible, so stop accusing everybody who disagrees with your interpretation of it of rejecting it.
Hello Nanopants,I think the following is relevant:
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge
There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.
Their line has gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.
In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
Its rising is from one end of heaven,
And its circuit to the other end;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat. -Ps 19:1-6
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Douay-Rheims -from the Latin Vulgate, to English:
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Book Of Psalms Psalm 18 [1] Unto the end. A psalm for David.
[2] The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.
[3] Day to day uttereth speech, and night to night sheweth knowledge.
[4] There are no speeches nor languages, where their voices are not heard. [5] Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth: and their words unto the ends of the world.
[6] He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he, as a bridegroom coming out of his bride chamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way:
[7] His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof:
1 [For the end, a Psalm of David.] The ... PSALMS / ΨΑΛΜΟΙ18 - Bilingual SeptuagintLatin Vulgate to English:
The Greek Old Testament Septuagint to English:
[FONT=Palatino Linotype,Athena][For the end, a Psalm of David.] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims the work of his hands.
2 Day to day utters speech, and night to night proclaims knowledge.
3 There are no speeches or words, in which their voices are not heard.
4 Their voice is gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.
5 In the sun he has set his tabernacle; and he come forth as a bridegroom out of his chamber: he will exult as a giant to run his course.
6 His going forth is from the extremity of heaven, and his circuit to the [other] end of heaven: and no one shall be hidden from his heat. 7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes.[/FONT]
Psalm 18:1 victori canticum David
in finem psalmus David
Unto the end. A Psalm Chapter for David.
2 caeli enarrant gloriam Dei et opus manus eius adnuntiat firmamentum
caeli enarrant gloriam Dei et opera manuum eius adnuntiat firmamentum
The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.
3 dies diei eructat verbum et nox nocti indicat scientiam
dies diei eructat verbum et nox nocti indicat scientiam
Day to day uttereth speech, and night to night sheweth knowledge.
4 non est sermo et non sunt verba quibus non audiatur vox eorum
non sunt loquellae neque sermones quorum non audiantur voces eorum
There are no speeches nor languages, where their voices are not heard.
5 in universam terram exivit sonus eorum et in finibus orbis verba eorum
in omnem terram exivit sonus eorum et in fines orbis terrae verba eorum
Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth: and their words unto the ends of the world.
6 soli posuit tabernaculum in eis et ipse quasi sponsus procedens de thalamo suo exultavit ut fortis ad currendam viam
in sole posuit tabernaculum suum et ipse tamquam sponsus procedens de thalamo suo exultavit ut gigans ad currendam viam suam;
He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he as a bridegroom coming out of his bridechamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way:
7 a summitate caeli egressus eius et cursus eius usque ad summitatem illius nec est qui se abscondat a calore eius
a summo caeli egressio eius et occursus eius usque ad summum eius nec est qui se abscondat a calore eius
His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.
8 lex Domini inmaculata convertens animam testimonium Domini fidele sapientiam praestans parvulis
lex Domini inmaculata convertens animas testimonium Domini fidele sapientiam praestans parvulis
The law of the Lord is unspotted, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, giving wisdom to little ones.
Hebrew of Psalm 19:4 in English Bible concordance:
שׂוּם suwm -[He] set/placed
אֹהֶל 'ohel -[His] Tabernacle/dwelling place
שֶׁמֶשׁ shemesh [in the] sun
Of course I do.
The earth is not square, it's not on pillars, the sun doesn't live in a tent in the sky, and the good Samaritan parable may not have been a literal event.
That doesn't mean the word of God isn't true. Some writings are poetry or parables; they can still proclaim truth.
Actually, every one of your references is simply using the earth as a frame of reference (!) which is exactly what any modern weatherman will do (and I assure you they are not claiming the sun goes around the earth!). So I do not think that any of the passages that you quoted are very compelling. Do you have any other passages you would like to present?
I think there needs to be a new area in unorthodox theology for conspiracy theories...
"Airey's Failure" - YouTube
"Airey's Failure" - YouTube
Earth From Space - Clearly the Earth does not move - YouTube
The Static Earth - The Geostationary Model works! - YouTube
Observable events is true science; it make you wonder how someone can believe that the earth orbits the sun, especially in light of the axiomatic undisputable scriptures evidences and substance of faith that the Christian bible contains.
1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Paul (a Geocentric Christian) warned Timothy (also a Geocentric Christian) and all Christian that false science would work to undermine the scriptures.
It is amazing that this warning is basically ignored by christians today, evolution, heliocentric, and no inspired bible are the rule in the christian church; while those that hold a 6 day creation, Geocentric Universe, and an inspired bible (King James Bible) are mocked, ridiculed, and persecuted.
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mind you this prophets before us were also Geocentric
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
I am not surprise though because this scripture makes it clear all this would happen!
O yea Jesus was Geocentric also, as was Daniel;
Daniel 1:4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
I don't think that's the choice at all. The Bible talks about the earth having four corners - so is it square or rectangular then?
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