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Does The Church (of) Jesus Christ Have A Name?

Discussion in 'Ecclesiology' started by LOXOCO, Apr 12, 2002.

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  1. LOXOCO

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    WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST? CAN A MAN SEE IT? WHAT CHURCH DID ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB GO TO? IS THE CHURCHES OF MEN THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST? DOES THE LORD RECOGNIZE THE CHURCH OF CHRISTIANITY? IS JESUS A CHRISTIAN? IS GOD? IS THE HOLY GHOST? IS PAUL A CHRISTIAN? TO WHAT CHURCH DID JESUS SEND HIS DISCIPLES TO? MATTHEW 10:16. DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BELONG TO GOD OR MEN? SAME FOR ALL OTHERS! IF GOD DOES NOT RECIEVE GLORY FROM MEN, WHY SHOULD ANY MAN CHURCH CLAIM MONOPOLY ON GOD? IS GOD JUST AS REAL WITH YOU IN OR OUTSIDE A BUILDING MADE BY HANDS? IS IT NOT THE CASE THAT THE ASSEMBLY GOD SPEAKS OF FOUND IN HEBREWS 12:FIRST. THE SAME CHAPTER CALLS OUR ATTENTION TO AN GENERAL ASSEMBLY.VS.23. DOES NOT GOD ABIDE IN THE PRAISES OF HIS PEOPLE? HOW THEN CAN WE BE ACCUSED OF FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLY OF OURSELVES. THAT BEING THE CASE THEN ONE CANNOT FAIL TO SEE EPH.2:6. JUST WHERE HAS GOD PLACED US IN CHRIST JESUS? IN BUILDINGS MADE BY HANDS? I THINK NOT!
     
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  2. LouisBooth

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    yeah, it does, its the church ;) Good post though. I'm trying to break my youth of calling the building the church. I go nuts when people say, lets go to church.
     
  3. TheUnknown

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    Let's go to church. :D :D :D
     
  4. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    *goes nuts* ;)
     
  5. LOXOCO

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    WE ARE THE CHURCH!
     
  6. rkbo

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    We are the bride of Christ to be presented spotless at the marriage supper of the Lamb. We are made spotless by the blood of Christ and not of our own righteoness. We are his workmanship. We are not to forsake the assembing of ourselves together. The New Teatament saints meet in homes. We have buildings just for this now days. We all know the church is the people, we have simple named a building built for the church......a church. No big deal.
     
  7. ZiSunka

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    You're kidding, right?

    The Church of Jesus Christ is US! It isn't a building or a place, nor does it have a name other than our own. We are His Church, and He dwells within us.
     
  8. LOXOCO

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    MY POINT INDEED! IT IS SERIOUS BUSINESS TO KNOW HOW TO TALK IN THE LANGUAGE OF GOD. GOD NEVER HAS GIVEN A CHURCH TO A MAN. HE GAVE IT TO HIS SON! GOD DID NOT GIVE MAN ANYTHING! THE ASSEMBLY PAUL SPEAKS OF IS HEB.12:1 AND NOT THE ONE DOWN THE CORNER STREET. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE ASSEMBLY? 12:23 HEB. DON'T YOU KNOW LIKE THE HEBREWS DID NOT THAT WE SIT IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS? NOW! SURELY YOU DONT THINK THAT IT IS A MAN'S CHURCH LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? REALLY NOW? OR IS GOD BABTIST OR PENTECOSTAL? DON'T YOU PUT YOUR EYES ON THINGS ABOVE? THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS WORLD. JESUS LEFT IT THE SAME WAY AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN. THE WORLD IS LOST YOU KNOW. AND IF GOD DOES NOT HAVE MERCY WHAT WILL YOU DO? GOD HAS MERCY IN WHOM HE WANTS. IF THERE IS ANY REPENTENCE, IT IS BECAUSE GOD DECIDES TO REPENT! JUST LIKE HE REPENTED IN HAVING MADE MAN. MAYBE YOU NEED TO RECALL THAT THIS IS GOD'S BUSINESS AND NOT MAN'S!
     
  9. Christi

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    God's not a Baptist?
    (just kidding, I know what you are saying:) )
     
  10. JohnR7

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    >>WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST? CAN A MAN SEE IT?

    No man can see the Church, only son's of God can see the true Church of Christ. Their eyes must be annointed by the Holy Spirit of God. Martin Luther talked about an "invisable" church. He knew about it, but by saying it was "invisable" Martin Luther told on himself that he was blind. If he was blind, then maybe he was deaf and dumb to. But I do not want to judge Martin Luther, maybe he could see the true church and just told those who were blind that it was invisable. There are 6 spiritual sense that we receive through the Holy Spirit as Children of God.

    >>WHAT CHURCH DID ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB GO TO?

    Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek a priest & king of Salem (Jerusalem). So basicly Abraham was a member of the Church of Jerusalem. One of his decendants: David actually became a king there. We are the new Jerusalem. Ezekiel writes extensively about the temple that will be built there.

    >>IS JESUS A CHRISTIAN?

    Christian means to be a disciple. Jesus was the teacher. To be a disciple means to actually follow the teachings of the Master. Jesus said you actually had to do what He commanded. You are not a Christian if you do not actually follow the Commandments of Jesus.

    >>IS GOD JUST AS REAL WITH YOU IN OR OUTSIDE A BUILDING MADE BY HANDS?

    A church is not a building, according to the Bible it is a assembly of believers. It is very important for true believers to assemble. It was later that the building itself began to take on that name. I would prefer to meet in a sanctuary though, comparted to a multipurpose room. I would prefer a area set aside JUST for worship if at all possible. Thanks, JohnR7
     
  11. LOXOCO

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    THE WHOLE MEANING OF MY POST IS NOT ATTACK. IT IS BROUGHT ABOUT BY THE IGNORANCE OF MANY. JUST LIKE THE HEBREWS THEN, WE HAVE THEM TODAY. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND. THEY ARE IN THE PAST AND GOD HAS MOVED ON. THUS THE LETTER TO THE HEBREWS THEN AND NOW. I DISAGREE WITH THE ASSEMBLY YOU REFER TO AS CHURCH. GOD ADDS TO HIS CHURCH AS HE SEES FIT. HE IS THE ONE WHO CHOOSES WHO WILL BE SAVED.ACTS 2:47. AND GOD IS THE SAME AND DOES NOT CHANGE. HE BRINGS US TO THE SON. NO MAN CAN COME TO THE SON BUT BY THE FATHER. NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY THE SON. AND HE IN WHOM THE SON WANTS TO REVEAL. THIS IS GOD'S BUSINESS AND NOT MAN'S. WE ARE JUST WITNESSES. I DID NOT SAY TO GO OUT AND WITNESS, BUT THAT WE ARE WITNESSES OF GOD'S DOINGS. JUST AS THEY ALL WERE IN THE ACTS OF THE HOLY GHOST, EVEN SO NOW. JESUS IS NOT COMING TO PICK UP A CHURCH. REMEMBER THAT GOD DOES ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF THE LORD, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. PRAISE THE LORD CHRISTI. KEEP YOUR TV ON THE LORD, BECAUSE TIME IS NO MORE. GOD HAS SYCHRONIZED US WITH THE HEARTBEAT OF THE CREATION. IF YOU READ EPHESIANS AND NOTE THE VERBS, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE MOVED ON WITH THE LORD. WORDS LIKE: "IN TIMES PAST" OR "WHO WERE DEAD" EVEN WHEN WE WERE DEAD IN SINS, HATH QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, AND HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, TOGETHER, TOGETHER, AND MADE US SIT, AND MADE US SIT IN HEAVENLY PLACES, IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS: THIS CANNOT BE POSSIBLE IF YOU HAVE NOT COME BY COLOSSIANS 3:1. *AND NOTE THAT IT SAYS "IF" MEANING THAT YOU CAN TALK A PRETTY TALK AND RELIGIOUS TALK, BUT IF YOU HAVE NOT COME THIS WAY, TALK IS CHEAP. CHURCHES OF MEN ARE NOW FILLED THE WITH BABES AND THEIR TEACHER'S OF BABES. PAUL SAW THE BOTTLES ALL TURNED OVER ON THE TABLES AND HAD TO GIVE THEM MILK. CARNAL! AND I, BRETHREN, COULD NOT SPEAK UNTO YOU AS UNTO SPIRITUAL, BUT AS UNTO CARNAL, EVEN AS UNTO BABES IN CHRIST. THEY WERE AND ARE TO PUFFED UP WITH KNOWLEDGE. CORINTHIANS! THESE AND MANY MORE ARE THE REASONS WHY I POST.
     
  12. Christi

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    Certain things are far and above my understanding. I do wish everyone would forget everything they have ever learned. Then read the Bible cover to cover. Then go back and re-read the New Testament. Then go back and re-re-read the Gospels. I just feel like if our goal is Christ-likeness, and we realize that we can't be like Him. Only He can be Him, through us, using our bodies to live His life......that perhaps that is the one understanding we need.
     
  13. LOXOCO

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    I LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY CHRISTI.
    THESE ARE THE PHANTASIES OF THE CHRISIAN WORLD.
    God takes pleasure in destroying his people. It is judgement that one must confront when he appoaches the Lord. Never has there been a man able to be born again. But always, the Lord WILL be born again. God does not talk to man, but He does talk to His Son. Never has a man ascended to heaven, but He has made us sit (together) in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Thus God will not have a day in which he will come and pick up a collection of waiting people. The Lord abides in the praises of His people. God does not heal people but he does heal himself. God does not recieve glory from men. He does not trust them! The bible is not for man but for the Lord. It is (HIS) Word! But man's best ability is to pick up the bible and make religions. But God is not in them! God has his church and it does not have a name. Let us leave it here for now. But many (false heresies) excist in the mind of Israel.

    FROM THE BODY OF CHRIST!
     
  14. Christi

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    Okay, now I didn't understand any of that. I thought you were talking about denominations, and squabbling over minor things, while neglecting important things, and hypocrisy in the Church. Am I completely misunderstanding you? I think you may be on a different train of thought than me.
     
  15. rkbo

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    Christi I'm with you. I am trying to understand but I get a convoluted message. Maybe it is just my lack us smarts but I don't know , Loxoco, where you are comming from or going. God does heal his people, he does talk to his people, the Bible is for us, and God takes no pleasure in destroying his people, etc. I hope I am completely misunderstanding you, my friend. Please try again. I am listening.
     
  16. LOXOCO

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    IM COMING FROM WHERE I AM. IM LOST IN CHRIST! ONCE LOST IN THE WORLD, NOW, LOST IN CHRIST! I SAY THAT GOD HEALS HIMSELF BECAUSE WE ARE HIS BODY. PAUL PRAYED THREE TIMES FOR HEALING OF AN AFFLICTION. DID THE LORD HEAL HIM? NO! "MY GFRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEE" I GUARANTEE THAT THE TIME CAME WHEN WHAT HE PRAYED FOR WAS FORGOTTEN BECAUSE HE WAS FOUND NO LONGER SICK. YOU MUST LEARN WHAT HEB.12:3-17 SAYS. FOR HOW THEN CAN SCRIPTURE BE FULFILLED IN YOU? DAVID SAYS: IT WAS GOOD THAT I WAS AFFLICTED! CAN YOU ALSO SAY SUCH A THING WHEN AFFLICTED? GOD DOES NOT HEAR SINNERS. BUT HE DOES TALK TO HIS SON IN ME. IM JUST A WITNESS. GOD TAKES PLEASURE IN DESTROYING HIS PEOPLE. HOW ELSE THEN WILL YOU BIRTH HIS SON? WHEN A WOMAN GIVES BIRTH, SHE IS ACTUALLY GIVING HER LIFE THEN. HOW IS IT THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS LANGUAGE? WHAT HAVE YOUR LEADERS TAUGHT YOU? MY PEOPLE DIE FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING. THUS THE ENEMY COMES TO TAKE WHAT IS NOT HIS. HOW IS IT THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ME?
     
  17. rkbo

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    My leader is Jesus and he teaches me through his word and I still don't understand you.....sorry.
     
  18. LOXOCO

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    NOT ALL HAVE THIS UNDERSTANDING. UNTO YOU IT IS GIVEN TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD: BUT TO OTHERS IN PARABLES; THAT SEEING THEY MIGHT NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND. PRAISE THE LORD ANYHOW!
     
  19. LouisBooth

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    "NOT ALL HAVE THIS UNDERSTANDING. UNTO YOU IT IS GIVEN TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD: "

    Sorry, if you're a christian there is no secret knowledge. That's a gnostic thought. Epheisians chapter 1..verse 8 to be specific.
     
  20. LOXOCO

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    ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU KNOW THE MYSTERIES? AND WHO ARE YOU? IF PAUL SAYS:FOR NEITHER RECIEVED IT OF MAN, NEITHER WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT BY THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST, THEN CHRISTIANS RECIEVE THIS UNDERSTANDING BY STUDING THE BIBLE? BUT GOD IS CONSISTENT AND DOES NOT CHANGE? DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY? ARE YOU BEING HONEST WITH YOURSELF? BUT IT IS WRITTEN: EYE HATH NOT SEEN, NOR EAR HEARD, NEITHER HAVE ENTERED INTO THE HEART OF MAN, THE THINGS WHICH GOD HATH PREPARED FOR THEM THAT LOVE HIM? HOW THEN DO YOU COME TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES? TELL ME ABOUT THEM! CAN I QUESTION YOU ON THEM? LET ME ASK YOU A SIMPLE ONE! CONCERNING KNOWING THE WILL OF GOD: IF YOU SAW THE PRODIGAL SON EATING FROM WHAT THE SWINE ATE AND YOU WERE PASSING BY WITH TWO SANDWICHES, WOULD YOU GIVE HIM ONE? LET US SEE IF YOU WILL MEASURE UP TO WHAT YOU SAY! AGNOSTIC HUH?
    LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE. IF EVERYTHING IS IN ITS PLACE, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE WHAT IS ALREADY THE WAY IT IS? WHY NOT JUST RECIEVE IT? ONE MORE BECAUSE YOU INTRIQUE ME. HOW THEN DO YOU COME ABOUT THE MYSTERIES OF GOD? KNOWING WHAT REVELATION 5:1-8 SAYS. DID YOU OPEN THE BOOK? ARE YOU GREATER THAN THE SON OF G0D, THEN THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH? REALLY NOW! DO YOU SPEAK OF WHAT YOU KNOW, OR ARE YOU JUST PUFFED UP? WHAT IS THIS VOICE THAT I CANNT HEAR? I DON'T RECOGNIZE IT! AND GOD HAS ONE MOUTH, YOU KNOW! I WAS EMAILED TO HEAR THIS? I'LL AWAIT YOU!
     
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