Does Sickness Glorify God?

[justinstout]

He only healed one man out of the many who were at the Pool of Bethesda (John 5), and that man didn't even ask for help.

But the fact is that not all who ask today are healed, so something else is going on. Either the Lord has lost his power to heal , or he has undergone a personality change and doesn't want to heal , or just maybe he is asking us to put our faith in him and not in a miracle. I know what you're going to say - that it doesn't say that it the Bible. But Jesus performed signs and wonders to confirm that what he was saying was true, that God's kingdom really was coming, that he was who he said he was (the Messiah) and that they really could have a new relationship with God and call him Father. We know this, and have proof of God's love because we live after the cross and resurrection. God can still perform miracles of healing today, of course he can - salvation is the biggest miracle of all. But maybe he sees that we have more going for us today than they did then, and wants us to trust him for who he is, notjust what he can do?

I mean, what's the alternative? That illness can affect the lives of God's children and he does not want that but he is powerless to do anything about it? That God cannot work for good in all things, because he calls sickness a curse and doesn't want it? That people with illnesses are not glorifying him, even if they are preaching the Gospel and helping others and leading them to the Lord? That God looks at people who are paralysed, brain damaged or whatever and feels disgusted by them? What about Psalm 139, does it apply to babies who are born with disabilities, or id the devil sneak them in when God wasn't looking, and did something without God knowing?

The Lord God can, and does, use anything to bring glory to his name and make it known to people, whatever the devil's intentions might be. Just as Joseph said to his brothers who sold him into slavery in Egypt, "you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good."

God doesn't force people to be healed... OBVIOUSLY.

Ever wondered why the man at the pool of Bethesda is basically the one person that Jesus required to actually DO something to act on their faith after He had provided healing for them?


Sickness and disease itself does not glorify God. You can't find any example in the New Covenant.

 

[California Tim]

He only healed one man out of the many who were at the Pool of Bethesda (John 5), and that man didn't even ask for help.

But the fact is that not all who ask today are healed, so something else is going on. Either the Lord has lost his power to heal , or he has undergone a personality change and doesn't want to heal , or just maybe he is asking us to put our faith in him and not in a miracle. I know what you're going to say - that it doesn't say that it the Bible. But Jesus performed signs and wonders to confirm that what he was saying was true, that God's kingdom really was coming, that he was who he said he was (the Messiah) and that they really could have a new relationship with God and call him Father. We know this, and have proof of God's love because we live after the cross and resurrection. God can still perform miracles of healing today, of course he can - salvation is the biggest miracle of all. But maybe he sees that we have more going for us today than they did then, and wants us to trust him for who he is, notjust what he can do?

I mean, what's the alternative? That illness can affect the lives of God's children and he does not want that but he is powerless to do anything about it? That God cannot work for good in all things, because he calls sickness a curse and doesn't want it? That people with illnesses are not glorifying him, even if they are preaching the Gospel and helping others and leading them to the Lord? That God looks at people who are paralysed, brain damaged or whatever and feels disgusted by them? What about Psalm 139, does it apply to babies who are born with disabilities, or id the devil sneak them in when God wasn't looking, and did something without God knowing?

The Lord God can, and does, use anything to bring glory to his name and make it known to people, whatever the devil's intentions might be. Just as Joseph said to his brothers who sold him into slavery in Egypt, "you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good."

That summed it up beautifully. I should have kept my mouth shut and let you wrap it up.

 

[shoutuntogod]

Like I said in the other post sort of similar to this one, I believe that once I am done with my mental illness I can use my recovery to aid others and show them that the Lord loves you no matter what your mental state and that he can bring you out of it.

 

[Strong in Him]

Ever wondered why the man at the pool of Bethesda is basically the one person that Jesus required to actually DO something to act on their faith after He had provided healing for them?

No he wasn't - Jesus told people to take up their beds and walk, (Mark 2v11) or to show themselves to the priest, or to stretch out their withered hand, or to wash off mud he had put on their eyes.

What are you saying?

 

[Strong in Him]

That summed it up beautifully. I should have kept my mouth shut and let you wrap it up.

Thank you for your kind words, please don't keep your mouth shut though.

 

[Strong in Him]

Like I said in the other post sort of similar to this one, I believe that once I am done with my mental illness I can use my recovery to aid others and show them that the Lord loves you no matter what your mental state and that he can bring you out of it.

He loves you very much though, even with mental illness, and I believe that he doesn't need to wait for you to be well before he uses you.

 

[justinstout]

No he wasn't - Jesus told people to take up their beds and walk, (Mark 2v11) or to show themselves to the priest, or to stretch out their withered hand, or to wash off mud he had put on their eyes.

What are you saying?

These other actions that you mentioned were asked of the people AFTER they were already healed.

 

[justinstout]

Like I said in the other post sort of similar to this one, I believe that once I am done with my mental illness I can use my recovery to aid others and show them that the Lord loves you no matter what your mental state and that he can bring you out of it.

Praise God!
That will be great.
Will you glorify God or the mental illness that you had?


Jesus loves you. He alone is the Healer.
Hallelujah!

 

[justinstout]

No way. God does not get glory merely by us being sick. He gets glory out of our healing.

(from another thread about how sickness does not glorify my Father)


Amen!

 

[seekingpurity047]

You ignored a post above completely.

Can God be glorified in death?

To the glory of God,

Randy

 

[JimfromOhio]

You ignored a post above completely.

Can God be glorified in death?

To the glory of God,

Randy

Randy, I am having problems with him too. He's ignoring my scriptural references in this thread: Is sickness & disease a blessing or a curse?

 

[justinstout]

SICKNESS AND DISEASE ARE BOTH A CURSE and NOT GOD'S WILL.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Randy, I am having problems with him too. He's ignoring my scriptural references in this thread: Is sickness & disease a blessing or a curse?

Never mind. This guy had the thread closed. I wanted to say before it got closed that its common knowledge that WoF followers are being decieved. I used to follow Kathryn Kulman many years ago. Since then, I have learned many of WoF bad doctrines

 

[justinstout]

Jim, your disease does not glorify God.

The false doctrine of unscriptural suffering has no doubt blinded you completely.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Jim, your disease does not glorify God.

The false doctrine of unscriptural suffering has no doubt blinded you completely.

I didn't say my disease is glorying God. I am glorifying God for being with me dispite of my disease. Praising Him for being with me throughout my sufferings.

 

[justinstout]

I didn't say my disease is glorying God.

There it is.

Thank you.

 

[JimfromOhio]

There it is.

Thank you.

I am using my disease to Glorify God.

 

[justinstout]

I am using my disease to Glorify God.

No, a disease does not glorify God. For God to receive any type of glory "through" a disease, you need to receive His healing power.

 

[JimfromOhio]

No, a disease does not glorify God. For God to receive any type of glory "through" a disease, you need to receive His healing power.

That's your problem. You deny any ministries (i.e. Joni & Friends) that Glorify God and that Healing is the only way.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Closed by request