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Does Science Agree With the Bible?

Sister_in_Christ

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We also have deposits that last for thousands of years without interruption. Nice consistent deposits in lakes and places like the Gulf of Mexico. There should be a significant interruption. There is not.
There are plenty of fossils of sea creatures well above sea level. Plenty of fossils where animals were violently and quickly buried. Lots of
We also have deposits that last for thousands of years without interruption. Nice consistent deposits in lakes and places like the Gulf of Mexico. There should be a significant interruption. There is not.
There are plenty of fossils of sea creatures well above sea level. Plenty of fossils where animals were violently and quickly buried.

The account of the flood also suggests massive reconstruction of the earth's surface. Forming mountains, and changing the topography considerably.

Like I said earlier, we can argue over how evidence supports the flood (or doesn't), but neither of us were there. So, we both have to take our beliefs on faith.
 
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There are plenty of fossils of sea creatures well above sea level. Plenty of fossils where animals were violently and quickly buried. Lots of

There are plenty of fossils of sea creatures well above sea level. Plenty of fossils where animals were violently and quickly buried.

The account of the flood also suggests massive reconstruction of the earth's surface. Forming mountains, and changing the topography considerably.

Like I said earlier, we can argue over how evidence supports the flood (or doesn't), but neither of us were there. So, we both have to take our beliefs on faith.

So what? Do you know nothing of tectonic uplift? And just what in the flood account suggests any geologic changes? Something from Scripture, not some fundie claim made to try to doubletalk their way out of the obvious problems with the claim of a global flood.

You have to have faith. I happen to have training in Geology and can understand just how missing the evidence you claim is.
 
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Why not? This doesn't follow. If there was a global flood, regardless of anything else, we would expect to find a layer in the geologic column that contains the deposited detritus and whatnot from the flood.

Not necessarily. You see the flood was masterminded by the all intelligent creator. If even you devised a plan for life on earth to end, would you not include some mechanism for assuring that the dead remains were properly disposed of? I hear that the commies in the revolution used things like acid to try to destroy remains. I notice that there is a worldwide thin layer of powder like stuff (iridium). I notice that iridium has interesting properties. Could it be possible that it was a remnant of some former state reactive process that disposed of organic matter?! Now it seems apparent from the fossil record and evidences that man and most creatures could not have fossilized in the former state anyhow. One assumes the decay processes on corpses was lightning fast at the time. (?)

Nevertheless we still had a world full of life and even some creatures that were of the sort that they did leave remains. So God likely needed some process that would dispose of all this organic matter cleanly and efficiently.

"The most important iridium compounds in use are the salts and acids it forms with chlorine, though iridium also forms a number of organometallic compounds used in industrial catalysis, and in research."

"Iridium is one of the nine least abundant stable elements in Earth's crust.."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium




"Organometallic chemistry combines aspects of inorganic chemistry andorganic chemistry..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organometallic_chemistry

"Organic chemistry is a chemistry subdiscipline involving the scientific study of the structure, properties, and reactions of organic compounds and organic materials, i.e., matter in its various forms that contain carbonatoms.[1][2] Study of structure includes many physical and chemical methods to determine the chemical composition and thechemical constitution of organic compounds and materials. Study of properties includes both physical properties and chemical properties, and uses similar methods as well as methods to evaluate chemical reactivity, with the aim to understand the behavior of the organic matter in its pure form (when possible), but also in solutions, mixtures, and fabricated forms. The study of organic reactions includes probing their scope through use in preparation of target compounds (e.g., natural products, drugs, polymers, etc.) by chemical synthesis, as well as the focused study of the reactivities of individual organic molecules, both in the laboratory and via theoretical (in silico) study."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_chemistry

Not too hard to connect the dots here..!
 
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There are plenty of fossils of sea creatures well above sea level. Plenty of fossils where animals were violently and quickly buried. ....
True. However, we need to look at where the fossils are. We also need to look at what fossils we would expect to exist now from the time of the flood.
 
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So what? Do you know nothing of tectonic uplift? And just what in the flood account suggests any geologic changes? Something from Scripture, not some fundie claim made to try to doubletalk their way out of the obvious problems with the claim of a global flood.

You have to have faith. I happen to have training in Geology and can understand just how missing the evidence you claim is.
The uplift largely came after the flood most likely.
 
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If there is one thing militant atheists and creationists agree on, it is that the Bible is a science text book.
Thank you for admitting that I am not a militant creationist.

Treating the Bible like a science textbook is like treating Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual.
 
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Thank you for admitting that I am not a militant creationist.

Treating the Bible like a science textbook is like treating Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual.
That brings to mind other, possibly related thoughts..
-Science books are not God's books
- Man's manuals are not God's manuals
- Pretending to know about origins and calling it science is like buying an iphone from Bill Gates...

etc:)
 
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That brings to mind other, possibly related thoughts..
-Science books are not God's books
- Man's manuals are not God's manuals
- Pretending to know about origins and calling it science is like buying an iphone from Bill Gates...

etc:)

Gosh, how profound.
 
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If there is one thing militant atheists and creationists agree on, it is that the Bible is a science text book. The only difference between them is that the former try to argue that it is full of errors, and the latter that it contains no errors.

They are both operating upon a fundamentally flawed premise.

That's worth repeating. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Just to give one example of the many "creative" readings here: you're claiming that this is scientifically accurate, and it literally talks about "stretching the sky". Wat. Not to mention that the earth is not "suspended" in space in any meaningful way.

Don't you think this description is very very scientifically true?
Why would a stone age man want to use this word "stretching" or "spreading"?

I think very strongly that only this piece would be worthwhile for anyone (include you) to consider seriously about believing.
 
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Well the actual difference between unbelievers and believers is well...belief. To believe or not to believe, that is the question.

Belief in Christ isn't the same as belief in a highly subjective (and literal) interpretation of Genesis. Catholics, along with most "Christians" simply don't confuse the two issues.
 
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Belief in Christ isn't the same as belief in a highly subjective (and literal) interpretation of Genesis. Catholics, along with most "Christians" simply don't confuse the two issues.
Says you. Now Jesus really did create all things as the bible says, or not. I am not confused at all. Part of Christ is that He is the One that created all things. He created Adam. One simply cannot imagine that some random old age process eventually formed man on a big bang created planet, and that God was off in a tree picking his nose and looking the other way. Either God and Scripture are true, as Jesus affirmed, or not.

What would you have us do, cast off the book of John as garbage? Then we would have to toss out Paul...Genesis and Moses...etc etc.
 
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Don't you think this description is very very scientifically true?
Why would a stone age man want to use this word "stretching" or "spreading"?

I think very strongly that only this piece would be worthwhile for anyone (include you) to consider seriously about believing.
To have the universe be expanding as science thinks, we would need time and light and laws and etc to be the same out there. We do not KNOW that is the case in any way. It is not wise to claim God says the universe is expanding, and that this was what was meant by how He stretched out the sky.
 
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Says you.

Well, not *just* me. It's the consensus among *most* Christians.

Now Jesus really did create all things as the bible says, or not.

Even if we both assume that he did, that still doesn't tell us *when* that might have occurred, and you're still in the minority viewpoint in terms of your "interpretation" of Genesis, even among "Christians" worldwide.

I am not confused at all.

So says you. :)

Part of Christ is that He is the One that created all things.

Do you think that Catholics disagree with you on that topic?

What would you have us do, cast off the book of John as garbage? Then we would have to toss out Paul...Genesis and Moses...etc etc.

None of that is necessary of course, in fact it's a red herring. Catholics do not toss out the book of John, Paul, Genesis or Moses, and they have no problem reconciling their faith in Christ with "science". Your argument is a pure red herring. Essentially you're attempting to dress up your position in the guise of "Christianity", but most "Christians" reject your ideas.
 
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Well, not *just* me. It's the consensus among *most* Christians.
Speak for yourself.
Michael said:
Even if we both assume that he did, that still doesn't tell us *when* that might have occurred,
Um ... in the beginning?
Michael said:
... and you're still in the minority viewpoint in terms of your "interpretation" of Genesis, even among "Christians" worldwide.
As is Jesus' interpretation of Genesis today.
 
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Speak for yourself.Um ... in the beginning?As is Jesus' interpretation of Genesis today.
It really doesn't matter what *most* Christians believe. Just like *most* Jews believed Jesus was a liar; but thst didn't mean He wasn't who He said He was.

You have to accept the Bible for what it claims. It states six literal days. Very clearly. If you believe God is all-powerful, then He is. He could have created anything in any timeframe.

General consensus does not make a truth. I'm sure Noah felt alone in his beliefs.
 
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It really doesn't matter what *most* Christians believe. Just like *most* Jews believed Jesus was a liar; but thst didn't mean He wasn't who He said He was.

You have to accept the Bible for what it claims. It states six literal days. Very clearly. If you believe God is all-powerful, then He is. He could have created anything in any timeframe.

General consensus does not make a truth. I'm sure Noah felt alone in his beliefs.

It does not. The Hebrew word is not day. Aside from that how does Day in the modern sense make any sense at all before there was a sun?

You don't believe what the Bible says, you believe what uneducated people taught you.
 
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