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Does Satan exist?

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If yes:

1. What is he/ it?
2. Why doesn't God simply destroy Satan or is he not all powerful
3. Do Christians really believe in a being called Satan, or just in the possibility that some people are capable of doing bad things?
4. Where does Satan exist, it can't be in heaven, it can't be in Hell so where is it?

I know several committed Christians, and they seem to be confused about whether Satan is "real" or not, can anyone explain what Christianity teaches, and incidentally does Islam and Judaism have the same entity in their faith?
 
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If yes:

1. What is he/ it?
2. Why doesn't God simply destroy Satan or is he not all powerful
3. Do Christians really believe in a being called Satan, or just in the possibility that some people are capable of doing bad things?
4. Where does Satan exist, it can't be in heaven, it can't be in Hell so where is it?

I know several committed Christians, and they seem to be confused about whether Satan is "real" or not, can anyone explain what Christianity teaches, and incidentally does Islam and Judaism have the same entity in their faith?

May I ask why you ask these question?
 
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May I ask why you ask these question?

Because I am interested in what Christians believe, generally you get a wide range of opinions and I like to understand why those different views occur and where they come from.

I am in a relationship with a Christian, her church is very strong on Satan and his effects, but she is unsure what to think on this matter, if I can illicit opinions from this board I can discuss the matter with more knowledge.

I thought the purpose of this section of this web site was for precisely these kind of subjects, is that not the case?
 
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My understanding (from a layman with no theological training, who hasn't particularly studied this, preferring to focus on God):

1. He is a created being, one of the angels, and the first to rebel against God, succeeding in corrupting many others with him.

2. If I read rightly, we believe that God will eventually destroy Satan, and that He has already defeated him through the Crucifixion and Resurrection. CS Lewis speaks of the Christian belief that God will come back as a conquering King, but is waiting to give mankind the opportunity to voluntarily side with Him instead of with Satan.

3. The answers to this are as varied as the people who hold beliefs about it. Most Christian churches do believe that a being, Satan, exists, and that is my belief as well. This does not exclude the idea that people can do bad things on their own. I don't think we need to say, in general, "the devil made me do it" (though I believe that he relishes it when we do evil against God's will). But I don't think it is all that astonishing to realize that many Christians believe in an actual devil, when we believe in an actual God, and the whole spiritual world.

4. It seems he is present and working in this world, while God allows it. I am not quite sure why you say Satan can't exist in hell, though? And it would seem from the book of Job (if that can be taken literally) that God has on occasion allowed Satan an audience in Heaven, if I understand correctly.

I believe Satan is mentioned in Jewish texts and think that is where Christians get most ideas about the devil. From a History Channel show, I understand Islam also has a devil, but I confess to know very little about that religion's beliefs.

If you are looking for evidence, arguments, or defense of beliefs about Satan, I hope someone else will step in here to give better explanation. As I said, I haven't spent a lot of time researching it, preferring to spend my effort on Jesus.

(Edited to correct spelling error.)
 
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My understanding (from a layman with no theological training, who hasn't particularly studied this, preferring to focus on God):

1. He is a created being, one of the angels, and the first to rebel against God, succeeding in corrupting many others with him.

2. If I read rightly, we believe that God will eventually destroy Satan, and that He has already defeated him through the Crucifixion and Resurrection. CS Lewis speaks of the Christian belief that God will come back as a conquering King, but is waiting to give mankind the opportunity to voluntarily side with Him instead of with Satan.

3. The answers to this are as varied as the people who hold beliefs about it. Most Christian churches do believe that a being, Satan, exists, and that is my belief as well. This does not exclude the idea that people can do bad things on their own. I don't think we need to say, in general, "the devil made me do it" (though I believe that he relishes it when we do evil against God's will). But I don't think it is all that astonishing to realize that many Christians believe in an actual devil, when we believe in an actual God, and the whole spiritual world.

4. It seems he is present and working in this world, while God allows it. I am not quite sure why you say Satan can't exist in hell, though? And it would seem from the book of Job (if that can be taken literally) that God has on occasion allowed Satan an audience in Heaven, if I understand correctly.

I believe Satan is mentioned in Jewish texts and think that is where Christians get most ideas about the devil. From a History Channel show, I understand Islam also has a devil, but I confess to know very little about that religion's beliefs.

If you are looking for evidence, arguments, or defense of beliefs about Satan, I hope someone else will step in here to give better explanation. As I said, I haven't spent a lot of time researching it, preferring to spend my effort on Jesus.

(Edited to correct spelling error.)

Thanks for the response.

I didn't think Satan could exist in hell because I thought Christians believed Hell was a place of everlasting torment, therefore Satan could not be there one minute and creating whatever mischief on earth in another.

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Thanks for the response.

I didn't think Satan could exist in hell because I thought Christians believed Hell was a place of everlasting torment, therefore Satan could not be there one minute and creating whatever mischief on earth in another.

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For people, Hell certainly is a place of everlasting torment, if I understand rightly (but, as I've said in other places, I serve God more from a desire for Him, rather than from a fear of Hell, so I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it), but I don't think it necessarily folllows that at this time (and the whole idea of time and eternity leads to so many more questions), that Satan is confined there...he certainly is at work in this world, but I could see that he could be active in hell as well. But I stand open to correction.
 
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It is popular to believe in such a being. That is why so many fundamentalist Christians and Muslims believe in it.

Popular? :rolleyes:

We believe it because it's Biblical, and being "Christian" most of us believe what the Bible says.
 
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I didn't think Satan could exist in hell
He does not go there until the final judgement in the last chapters of Revelation.
 
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1. What is he/ it?
2. Why doesn't God simply destroy Satan or is he not all powerful
3. Do Christians really believe in a being called Satan, or just in the possibility that some people are capable of doing bad things?
4. Where does Satan exist, it can't be in heaven, it can't be in Hell so where is it?

1. Some say a Cherubim, but I think think the better translation is that he was beside the Cherubim. The closest angelic word would be a Seraphim. He is the "snake" in Genesis, but the word snake here has a triplicate meaning of Diviner (you shall not die), Serpent, and shining one. So don't think of it as a snake, it isn't actually a snake in Gilgamesh either, the word translates there as earthlion, which refers to the "dragonlion" adversarial motif of Mesopotamia. A latter example would be the Mushussu.
2. He will. However God must act according to his nature. When we say He is omni, it means he is Omni within his nature and what is logically possible. He can't say "I will not do X" and then do X. So satan is in this position of authority, we see that in Matthew 4:9. satan isn't offering Jesus the physical rule of an empire. he is offering Jesus the spiritual ownership of them. Jesus refuses the offer. Then, when he is being tried by the Sanhedren before his crucifixion, He references Himself to Daniel 7:9.
I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
14 And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
He defeated satan through his work, and He is reclaiming the nations from satan as we speak but it will not be finished until the end. In Luke 10, when He sends out the 72, that is a specific number relating to the table of nations. It is an invasion force to the nations, and it is during that chapter that Jesus says satan fell from heaven. That was the day that he declared war. He is not doing this in a physical way, but removing the spiritual authority of satan over the nations. We can actually go and look at the testimonies against the Christians of that time, and what they report is that the gods stopped working because of the Christians, they even began to report that they died, like pan for example.
3. There are a few Christians who believe that only God exists and so they naturalize all miracles and beings in the Bible as if they were a disease. They remove satan as well. That is a tragedy of faith.
4. In Job he is described as walking to and fro upon the earth, however at that time he was not bound to the earth.

satan means adversary, however he gets the proper name satan from Revelation 12:9. He is not the only adversary because he does not rule the nations alone, there are others like him which we learn about in Psalm 82, but he is chief among them.
 
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if I can illicit opinions from this board I can discuss the matter with more knowledge.
Not unless you read in God's Word what God Says about hasatan.
'opinions' not founded in God's Word are what God calls "false knowledge".
 
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It seems mad that God would allow Satan to run amok.

Its hard enough for free willed people to find truth without a mighty deceiver interfering.
That's 'right' .

Thus the strong man in the house (the "mighty" deceiver) must be bound
so
the "free willed people", as such, might find the truth.
 
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It seems mad that God would allow Satan to run amok.

Its hard enough for free willed people to find truth without a mighty deceiver interfering.
With some folks, if no clear well evidenced enemy exists, they will manufacture one, to fill a need.
 
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