Does Qur'an Teach Violence?

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Part 1

FROM THE KORAN ITSELF...

"HEIL HITLER" Now Upgraded to "ALLAH AKBAR?"

More than likely you never read the Qur'an before or even dared to verify your copy and pastefrom another website whereas you posting was not your own findings.

You may already know about this one: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

The Arabic word used in the context is "awliyaa'a" which is plural of "waliy" . I would dear any critic to look up in any Arabic dictionary or even if you Google it you will not find any supporting meaning of "friend" or "friends"



Better yet what we shall do here is quote a respected authority by both Muslims and Christians who himself is a Christian Classcial Arabic Scholar :

waliy ~ The manager of a thing, or of the affairs of another: (Msb ) the guardian, or manager of the affairss, and maintainer,



Edward Lane Lexicon of Classical Arabic

The following is the root word it is derived from :

waliya ~ ..He held command or authority over it; had charge of it; presided over it, or superintended it, (namely a thing, S, Msb, K, and a country, province, town, or the like, S, Msb,) as a perfect, commander, governor, lord, prionce, king, administrator, or manager;



Edward Lane Lexicon of Classical Arabic

If you had done your study rather than following what some Christian anti website dectated to you and followed up by asking questions then it would have been clearified.



Would you take a Jew or a Muslim to be your Wali rather than a Christian ? This does not imply by any means not taking them as a waliy makes them our enemy.



Why it was translated as "friend" ? It is obvious there was prejudice on the behalf of the translator which more than likely was done by a muslim cause no non-muslim who knows Arabic would have translated the Arabic plural "awliyaa'a" as "friends" rather than "guardians, administrators, protectors etc "

 

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Part 2

But did you know that there are verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

And we would be more than glad to refute every single one of them.

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause. - Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

As our readers have noticed SKY80' text has changed cause he a doing a copy and paste job now which he didnt even verify. Lets see what he quoted:

[2:273]

(Charity is) for those in need, who, in Allah's cause are restricted (from travel), and cannot move about in the land, seeking (for trade or work): the ignorant man thinks, because of their modesty, that they are free from want. Thou shalt know them by their (unfailing) mark: they beg not importunately from all and sundry, and whatever of good ye give, be assured Allah knoweth it well.

Did Sky80 verify his info ? No. As a matter of fact most Christians whom have black hearts would take and run away with such propaganda trusting it as the truth cause it came from a Christian. Note: All Christians are not like this, there are many with pure hearts with good intentions whom strive to get an authentic understanding of Islam.



Other than this the quotation is wrong. The proper quote should have been in Surah Al-Baqarah as :

[2:190] Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.



[2:191] And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.


[2:192] But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful


[2:193] And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

These were the first verses to be revealed in Medinah with the command to fight after the muslim were persecuted by pagans in Makkah thus they were forced to migrate to Medinah to escape persecution.



Now lets take a look at 4:96 (95) :

[4:95] Not equal are those Believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) hath Allah promised good: but those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.



[4:96] Ranks specially bestowed by Him and Forgiveness and Mercy, for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

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Whom is this verse speaking about ? There is a historical context in understand the verses of the Quran. This verse was in criticism of those believers whom sat at home while the other believers went out to participate in the wars to defend their city from being attacked by the Pagan Makkans whom launched a compaign against the Muslims while they were living Medinah.

 

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Part 3

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Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101).

Lets see what it says :

[4:101] When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers may attack you: for the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies

Whom are the unbelievers beign spoken about here whom were attacking the Muslims in the time of our Prophet when this verse was revealed ?

Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them.

Wow imagine that ! You are good at nitting things together. However if you had doen your task in a scholarly fashion you would have found in the context of Surah 9:5 the following :

[9:4] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.



[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

And of course this is speakign about only those whom attacked the muslim whereas those pagans whom did not aid or assist muslim enemies were not to be harmed.

They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90).

And if you confirmed what you read you would have found this in the context :

[4:89] They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.



[4:90] Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

Those who fought them not are exempted from being harmed

"Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193).

WoOPpeE ! You quoted correctly this time, but again this is only upon those who fight us :

[2:190] Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.



[2:191] And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

[2:192] But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful



[2:193] And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

This rule which is the first and standard command is only against oppressors. Sorry we dont take a slap and turn the cheak to offer the other.

"Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

Which was quoted out of context. The revelation was revealed when the muslim were engaged in war with the oppressive pagans whom were attacking them :

[8:7] Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words, and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers.



[8:8] That He might justify Truth and prove Falsehood false, distasteful though it be to those in guilt.

[8:9] Remember ye implored the assistance of your Lord, and He answered you: "I will assist you with a thousand of the angels, ranks on ranks."



[8:10] Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to your hearts, (in any case) there is no help except from Allah: and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

[8:11] Remember He covered you with a sort of drowsiness, to give you calm as from Himself, and He caused rain to descend on you from heaven, to clean you therewith, to remove from you the stain of Satan, to strengthen your hearts, and to plant your feet firmly therewith.

[8:12] Remember thy Lord (O Muhammad) inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them."

Do you have any idea why the inexperienced muslims were told to strike at their attackers neck and finger tips ? Cause those were the exposed areas of the body not covered by armor inorder to disable them quickly.

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If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39).

Lets see what else your didnt confirm.

[9:38] O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.



[9:39] Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.



[9:40] If ye help not (Muhammad), (it is no matter): for Allah did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out (of Makkah): he had no more than one companion: they two were in the Cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear for Allah is with us": then Allah sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which ye saw not, and humbled to the depths the word of the Unbelievers. But the word of Allah is exalted to the heights: for Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.

Where do you see that Alllaah will kill them or does it really say He will punish them ? Just before these verses the believers where admonished about this same issue :

[9:13] Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

The believers again were admonished from not wanting to fight those who oppressed them when they came to attack them.

He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

If you were to go back and reserch what you ate from the anti Islamic web site you got this from you would see "Heat" was refering to the heat of the sun when they were in desert engaged in war.

[9:81] Those who were left behind (in the Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah: they hated to strive and fight, with their goods and their persons, in the Cause of Allah: they said, "Go not forth in the heat." Say, "The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat." If only they could understand!

We would like to know where you see this verse that it is speaking about muslims in general whereas it is speaking about a past event in which some muslims did not become active in the war cause it was to hot was their excuse.

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A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

From here on Sky80 with his copy and past technique is going to start a washing cycle of the same criticism.

[22:78] And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Ibrahim. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector, the best to protect and the Best to help!

Where do you see "fight" or does it say "strive". Do you Christians not strive in the cause of Jesus ? Do we not, both muslim and christian, strive against evil, oppression, temptation in the cause of G-d ?

 

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Part 4

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Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

My neighbors are Jewish and Christian. I havent made war with them. We think your mentor has a reading IQ propblem.

[9:117] Allah turned with favour to the Prophet, the Muhajirs, and the Ansar, who followed Him in a time of distress, after that the hearts of a part of them had nearly swerved (from duty); but He turned to them (also): for He is unto them Most Kind, Most Merciful.



[9:118] (He turned in mercy also) to the three who were left behind; (they felt guilty) to such a degree that the earth seemed constrained to them, for all its spaciousness, and their (very) Souls seemed straitened to them, and they perceived that there is no fleeing from Allah (and no refuge) but to Himself. Then He turned to them, that they might repent: for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

[9:119] O ye who believe! Fear Allah and be with those who are true (in word and deed).



[9:120] It was not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighbourhood, to refuse to follow Allah's Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness, - whether they suffered thirst, or fatigue, or hunger, in the Cause of Allah, or trod paths to raise the ire of the Unbelievers, or received any injury whatever from an enemy - for Allah suffereth not the reward to be lost of those who do good.



[9:121] Nor could they spend anything (for the Cause) - small or great - nor cut across a valley, but the deed is inscribed to their credit; that Allah may requite their deed with the best (possible reward).

[9:122] Nor should the Believers all go forth together: if a contingent from every expedition remained behind, they could devote themselves to studies in religion, and admonish the people when they return to them, that thus they (may learn) to guard themselves (against evil).

[9:123] O ye who believe! Fight the Unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

That verse in its context again is speaking about a historical event in the time of our prophet which was refering to to the unbelievers that surrounded then while engaged in war with them.

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Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

And here is the context of which whom the unbelievers are :

[48:25] They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, (Allah would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.



[48:26] While the Unbelievers got up in their hearts heat and cant - the heat and cant of Ignorance - Allah sent down His Tranquillity to His Messenger and to the Believers, and made them stick close to the command of self-restraint; and well were they entitled to it and worthy of it. And Allah has full knowledge of all things.

[48:27] Truly did Allah fulfil the vision for His Messenger: ye shall enter the Sacred Mosque, if Allah wills, with minds secure, heads shaved, hair cut short, and without fear. For He knew what ye knew not, and He granted, besides this, a speedy victory.



[48:28] It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.

[48:29] Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds, Forgiveness, and a great Reward.

The Unbelievers are those who hindered the Muslims from the Mosque in Makkah, whom persecuted and oppressed the muslims. Thus us they whom they were to be firm against.

 

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Part 5

[QUOTE="Sky80] A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).[/QUOTE]



Lets what else your mentor misquoted :

[8:67] It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: and Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.

[8:68] Had it not been for a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that ye took.



[8:69] But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[8:70] O Prophet! say to those who are captives in your hands: "If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

[8:71] But if they have treacherous designs against thee, (O Messenger!), they have already been in treason against Allah, and so hath He given (thee) power over them. And Allah is He who hath (full) Knowledge and Wisdom.

It is called the spoils of war or booty obtained after triumph in the war. They were admonsihed about what they did which was permitted to them only at that time due to ignorance.

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A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

Wrong! All life in Islam is sacred, We are prohibited from killing a human bring unless it is based on justice and LAW. Do you know what the Jurisprudence and Shariah to this is ? We think we already went over most of this above.

[6:151(152)] Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want - We provide sustenance for you and for them - come not nigh to shameful deeds, whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.

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Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).

Hmm ! So do you think about those wars in the Bible that he supported through hsi prophets ?

[61:1] Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, let it declare the Praises and Glory of Allah: for He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

[61:2] O ye who believe! Why say ye that which ye do not?

[61:3] Grievously odious is it in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do not.

[61:4] Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.

Again the history of these verses were pertaining to when the muslims were engaged in war with their opressive enemy.

 

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Part 6

Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

This was a far fetched one :

[5:33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;



[5:34] Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Where do see if any one renounces Islam ? Also if someone engages in war causing perversion in the land against us what you want us to do, give them the other cheek ?

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Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

No No No ! Where you going ? the topic is Quran not Hadeeth, did you forget what you titled of this thread is? If you want to debate about hadeeth you need to maek another thread, not this one which is about Quran.

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Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

Except for those pagans whom fought not against them or aided their persecutors against them and even so if they ask for aylum they are to be granted it with out harm :

[9:4] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.



[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

We already went over this above, the critic is now in recycling mode.

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Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

Somebody has a very bad reading comprehension

[69:13] Then when one blast is sounded on the Trumpet,

[69:14] And the earth is moved, and its mountains, and they are crushed to powder at one stroke,



[69:15] On that Day shall the (Great) Event come to pass,

[69:16] And the sky will be rent asunder, for it will that Day be flimsy,

[69:17] And the angels will be on its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of thy Lord above them.

[69:18] That Day shall ye be brought to Judgment: not an act of yours that ye hide will be hidden.

[69:19] Then he that will be given his Record in his right hand will say: "Ah here! Read ye my Record!

[69:20] "I did really understand that my Account would (one Day) reach me!"

[21] And he will be in a life of Bliss,



[69:22] In a Garden on high,

[69:23] The Fruits whereof (will hang in bunches) low and near.

[69:69:24] "Eat ye and drink ye, with full satisfaction; because of the (good) that ye sent before you, in the days that are gone!"

[69:25] And he that will be given his Record in his left hand, will say: "Ah! Would that my record had not been given to me!

[69:26] "And that I had never realised how my account (stood)!"

[69:27] "Ah! Would that (Death) had made an end of me!"

[69:28] "Of no profit to me has been my wealth!"

[69:29] "My power has perished from me!"



[69:29] "My power has perished from me!"

[69:30] (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him,

[69:31] "And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire.

[69:32] "Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits!

[69:33] "This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High,

[69:34] "And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent!

[69:35] "So no friend hath he here this Day."

[69:36] "Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds,

[69:37] "Which none do eat but those in sin."

This is referring to the day of Judgment after the resurrection, thus is one of the brief descriptions of the events and punishments that will occur upon the sinners and unrighteous

 

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Part 7

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

Your repeating your self scroll up and look if you havent cought on yet. What happend we thought you had more to show us ? It seems you came to the end of the line and then began recycling your criticism. Even so that you are not the author of these alleged findings you will go down with the sinking ship that you supported.

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...​

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.​

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."

Knock Knock ! Ehm ! Whats the topic on this thread ? As we said if you want to talk about hadeeth make another thread about hadeeth. Same error you made in your paste and copy technique misquotes of the Quran the same will be done with hadeeth. If you cant understand the historical context of the Quran then for in no way are you going to understand hadeeth.

You really can't chop up a bunch of verses that have been copied from an anti-Islam website and say it represents what Muslims believe. I could do the same to the new testament to prove that we should murder for Jesus, hate our parents, etc.

Well said, and it has been shown this is exactly what he/she did and ended up going down with the battle ship.



To end this, in Islam we are only to fight in self defense ONLY. Killing civilians or innocent people is prophibited.

The End !

 

[SKY80]

I got the quran quotes from a online source,they may not be perfectly accurate yet tell me this... who is it that is chopping off the heads of innocent people while screaming and yelling "allah is great" while filming themselves?.....who is it that killed dozens of CHILDREN in russia? who was it that ran planes carrying innocent people into buildings full of innocent people? would allah approve of this?????
why is it that 95% of the major conflicts in the last 20 years were created or centered around muslims?
let's be truthful here!! Islam is not peaceful......it is a hateful violent blood lusting faith.
we should be working on a cure for Aids or working on new technologies, instead we are wasting our money and resources chasing down goat herders with shoulder launched anti-aircraft missles, or worried about a Islamic zealot strapping a bomb to their chest and blowing themselves up in public in the hope of being a martyr and getting virgins in heaven... ( I guess thou shall not kill isnt in the quaran?)
Say what you will and keep putting on the dog and pony show trying to lull the world into thinking that Islam is peaceful...I have nothing against a muslim it's what they have against me what i dont like...I wouldnt kill a Muslim a Infidel and think that if i kill them I will gain favor in gods eyes. yet why i am considered a infidel? are my eyes going to gouged out and my limbs and toungue cut out if I dont convert like what took place in Indonesia and Africa? Am I going to be hung in public for not converting like they did in afghanistan?? yet you claim Islam is peaceful??????????.........

 

[SKY80]

Part 7



Your repeating your self scroll up and look if you havent cought on yet. What happend we thought you had more to show us ? It seems you came to the end of the line and then began recycling your criticism. Even so that you are not the author of these alleged findings you will go down with the sinking ship that you supported.



Knock Knock ! Ehm ! Whats the topic on this thread ? As we said if you want to talk about hadeeth make another thread about hadeeth. Same error you made in your paste and copy technique misquotes of the Quran the same will be done with hadeeth. If you cant understand the historical context of the Quran then for in no way are you going to understand hadeeth.




Well said, and it has been shown this is exactly what he/she did and ended up going down with the battle ship.



To end this, in Islam we are only to fight in self defense ONLY. Killing civilians or innocent people is prophibited.

The End !

USS COLE....

WTC IN 1991

WTC IN 2001

MARINE BARRACKS..

THATS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD........SEEMS TO ME THAT YOUR CLAIM THAT INNOCENTS ARE NOT GETTING KILLED IS FALSE!!!!

 

[SKY80]

doesnt look to peaceful to me......

 

[SKY80]

this just scares me!!...how can you say that Islam is peaceful???

 

[SKY80]

one would think that a faith that is 'peaceful" would want its followers to accept it not be dominated by it???????

 

[John812]

But you also have the Old Testament, where God asks on several occasions for people to fight for Him. You can't just use the New Testament while ignoring the old, especially if you believe the Father and the Son are one and the same God.

I don't ignore the old testament. However, the Son of God replaced many of the teachings in the old testament with new ones given in their proper time, ones that will last forever.

I don't believe that Jesus and God are one and the same.


God Bless!

 

[dan67]

As it says in ECCLESIASTES Chapter 3, there is a time for everything.

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

If the time of peace does not come and STAY, there will be nobody left to enjoy it. Nuclear fallout can last for hundreds of thousands of years. Muslims have to start living up to their words. While crazed Muslims are part of the world's problem, all the rest of us non-Muslims are the other part. ANYONE who is self centered and narrow minded is the other part of the problem.

(I wanted to make this post with the trade towers on fire and pro-crazed Muslim signs but, I guess I need to have posted 100 posts.)

 

[Bookofknowledge]

doesnt look to peaceful to me......

Since you are the one who posted so many pictures - let me ask you a question - What is PEACE and what you see is enough to claim "doesn't look too peaceful to me"?

HINT: To clap one has to use both hands

Their false claim and its punishment

2:80
The Jews say: "The fire shall not touch us except for a few days." O Muhammad, say: "Have you obtained such a promise from Allah which He would not break ? Or do you assert against Allah what you do not know?"

2:81
Yea! Those who commit evil and become encircled in sin are the inmates of Hellfire; they shall live there forever.

2:82
As for those who believe and do good deeds, they will be the residents of Paradise and live there forever.

 

[Oxy2Hydro]

this just scares me!!...how can you say that Islam is peaceful???

It scares us how one eyed and black hearted you are. Quran condemns this :

O ye who believe! eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: but let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual good-will: nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! 4:29

Quran condemns suicide point blank.

one would think that a faith that is 'peaceful" would want its followers to accept it not be dominated by it???????

Aww ! Cant you do better than this ? Here is what the Quran says :

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. 2:256

If it had been thy Lord's Will (O Muhammad), they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe ? 10:99

But if any reject Faith, let not his rejection grieve thee: to Us is their Return, and We shall tell them the truth of their deeds: for Allah knows well all that is in (men's) hearts. 31:23

We are PROHIBITED from compeling people to believe against there will, we are merely to convey the warning and the clear message that there is no God except Alllaah whom has no children or is part of a trinity, and that he is absolutely ONE God and that Muhammad bin Abdullah Hashim (s.a.w.) is the Prophetic Messenger of Alllaah whom whom was sent to ALL MANKIND for Jews, Christians, Budists, Hindus, Ahtiest, etc etc etc, with the command from your creator to "SUBMIT" !

As for your profiling of September 11th this is what the Quran has to say about that:

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our Messengers with Clear Signs, Yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. 5:32

But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things). 8:61

You need to keep off the fruitless websites that dictate to you our religion. Pick up our book for your self and read it for the sake of scholarship rather than fro teh sake of your own prejudice.

Do not confuse the culture and tribalistic actions of Middle Eastern people with Islam. Just like Christianity and Judaism in American, many of their own followers are ignorant of their own religion whom do things against what the Bible teaches.

Also for the Moderator reading this I would sure like to do alot more with my posts but it seems I am restricted due to "BLESSINGS" so if you would, give me a break man and give me an exception pass thank you.

 

[PACKY]

WOW....been gone for two weeks and I missed this thread!!!, you can have zealots anywhere, looks liek there happens to be more attention on Islamic zealots at the moment given 9-11

 

[Nikos100]

That's what Jesus taught, but Christians don't adhere to it anyway. So what is the use of pointing that out? The moment we're attacked, we retaliate in a magnitude greater than they did, and attribute it to self-defence, which is exactly what the Islamic terrorists do. So what really, is the difference between us and them?

So true my Christian Brother, we did 10 times worse than they did - And people like George Bush don't deserve to even AFFILIATE themselves with Christianity, he is a Jew, he follows the Old Testament and ignores the New Testament, so he might as well be Jewish.

But at it's core, Islam is an incredibly violent religion - It teaches that the 'spoils of war' including women are to be divided among the 'believers' and that those who leave Islam should be killed. This are the sort of fundaments Islam is based on, how anyone could wish for an Islamic State is beyond me.

Christ taught peace, he was an incredible man to show such utter tolerance even when they strung him up on the cross an were laughing at him ("Father forgive them, they know not what they do"). Could you imagine Mohammed being that tolerant? I can't.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

So true my Christian Brother, we did 10 times worse than they did - And people like George Bush don't deserve to even AFFILIATE themselves with Christianity, he is a Jew, he follows the Old Testament and ignores the New Testament, so he might as well be Jewish.

But at it's core, Islam is an incredibly violent religion - It teaches that the 'spoils of war' including women are to be divided among the 'believers' and that those who leave Islam should be killed. This are the sort of fundaments Islam is based on, how anyone could wish for an Islamic State is beyond me.

Christ taught peace, he was an incredible man to show such utter tolerance even when they strung him up on the cross an were laughing at him ("Father forgive them, they know not what they do"). Could you imagine Mohammed being that tolerant? I can't.

O yea, keep commiting the sin and you find God is most forgiving...