Does Original Sin Exist?

[ottaia]

Original sin is one of the foundational truths of Christianity.

And your point is?

I am sorry, you just cannot jump into the thread and make a statement without backing it up. This is Liberal Theology, making a fundimentalist statement unqualified is not tolerated.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

There's not much we can do about drive by posting.

 

[lilithrising]

Original sin is one of the foundational truths of Christianity.

Truth? Original sin is a teaching / doctrine, that in and of itself does not make it a "truth".

lilithrising

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Truth? Original sin is a teaching / doctrine, that in and of itself does not make it a "truth".

lilithrising

It must be late because I read your post and was going to agree with it and when I looked at your username all I could think about was why someone would go by the name of a mouthwash - Listerine.

 

[Spherical Time]

It must be late because I read your post and was going to agree with it and when I looked at your username all I could think about was why someone would go by the name of a mouthwash - Listerine.

Ah, but were I female, I might have considered a user name along those lines. She's taken the name of the most intelligent person in the early books of the old testament. The one that could be considered, in my opinion, to be the Christian mother of NASA, Collumbus, DaVinci, Nietzsche and so many other great thinkers.

After all, she is the source of curiosity, self-awareness, intelligence and bravery in the jewish version of the creation myth, and the only human besides Adam willed directly into creation by God.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Ah, but were I female, I might have considered a user name along those lines. She's taken the name of the most intelligent person in the early books of the old testament. The one that could be considered, in my opinion, to be the Christian mother of NASA, Collumbus, DaVinci, Nietzsche and so many other great thinkers.

After all, she is the source of curiosity, self-awareness, intelligence and bravery in the jewish version of the creation myth, and the only human besides Adam willed directly into creation by God.

ST, make of this what you will but with your consistantly outstanding posts I always assumed that you were female.
I didn't ever notice the gender symbol on your posts until just now.

 

[Spherical Time]

ST, make of this what you will but with your consistantly outstanding posts I always assumed that you were female.
I didn't ever notice the gender symbol on your posts until just now.

This is the week of revelation, I suppose. Seebs just found something out about me as well, something that I have also not tried to hide.

And, wow, that's a boost to the ego.

 

[muffler dragon]

If we believe the Adam and Eve story (which I don't), if Adam and Eve didn't committ original sin, then they would be the only people on earth.

Another story (Jewish I think) said that the first people didn't sin so God had to make more people so someone would sin.

Is Original Sin just an antiquated concept to make people fear Hell?

Original sin is a gnostic idea that has no place in Judaism nor the Tanakh.

 

[elman]

Original sin is a gnostic idea that has no place in Judaism nor the Tanakh.

Nor Christianity.

 

[ottaia]

Nor Christianity.

Just a point of clarification: Are you saying that original sin does not belong in Christianity also? I am not taking offense with that, I am just a bit confused.

 

[muffler dragon]

Nor Christianity.

That's very interesting that you agree, but I have noticed in the past that you and I share a lot of common beliefs (even if in different religions).

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

That's very interesting that you agree, but I have noticed in the past that you and I share a lot of common beliefs (even if in different religions).

I think she is saying Original Sin is a religious doctrine shared by a number of denominations but not specifically stated in biblical scripture.

 

[muffler dragon]

I think she is saying Original Sin is a religious doctrine shared by a number of denominations but not specifically stated in biblical scripture.

That, very well, could be the case.

Btw, elman is a man.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

That, very well, could be the case.

Btw, elman is a man.

I'm totally blind to electronic gender and all I know is that in Spainglish El Man = The Man.

 

[elman]

Just a point of clarification: Are you saying that original sin does not belong in Christianity also? I am not taking offense with that, I am just a bit confused.

Yes I am saying original sin is an idea from man and not God. We are responsible for our own sins and for no one else's sins. Ezekiel 18 That is not only scriptural but also reasonable and just. Sin is being unloving and I and you and everyone else are only responsible for our personal failures to love.

 

[elman]

I think she is saying Original Sin is a religious doctrine shared by a number of denominations but not specifically stated in biblical scripture.

That is what I think and I also think it is an idea that is unreasonable and not logical and does not accuratly protray God as being loving.

 

[apenman]

Original sin is simply the introduction of the knowledge of good and evil, nothing more.

 

[Charlie V]

As long as things change there will always be original sins.

Not long ago, stealing music using an Ipod was an original sin.

(I'm guessing you can do that, I've never used an Ipod.)

Assuming it is done, somebody had to be the first person to do that.

That person committed an original sin.

Now, there are lots of Ipods and lots of people stealing music with them. It's not an original sin any more.

Who was the first person to fax an evil prank?
To beep somebody with evil intentions?
To steal cable television?

They were all once original sins.

If you're a sinner and you're really creative, you can probably come up with an original sin. Then you can say, "That sin, nobody ever did before! I committed an original sin!"

Charlie

(Yes, this was intended to be humerous.)

 

[Rev. Smith]

Someone rep Charles for me..... this thread needed lighjtneing up.

(now I will spend the rest of the day trying to come up with an original sin)
(then I will spend tommorrow asking God to strengthen my resolve not to commit it)

 

[ottaia]

Someone needs to rep Rev. Smith too!