Does Open Carry Cause Problems?

[Dale]

Those who say that open carry of guns causes no problems should consider something that happened in Jacksonville, FL, last December. Deputies pulled a man over and ordered him out of the car. He had a gun in a holster. The Deputies decided that was legal. (I’m not so sure.) Still, they did not want to talk to an armed man at a traffic stop. One Deputy tried to lift the gun out of the holster. Maybe it was a tight fit, and did not come out easily. Deputy Mindy Cardwell wound up shooting driver Jason Arrington in the leg with his own gun.

We are told that Deputy Cardwell was dismissed, at least as a patrol Deputy, although she is still working part time for the Sheriff’s Department.

A source very friendly to guns warns us that “criminals do not fear guns—they seek them.” Open carry of a firearm can attract criminals who want to steal the gun.


Sources
Florida officer fired after she accidentally shot a driver with his own gun during a traffic stop
gunsamerica.com/digest/open-carry-goes-horribly-wrong

 

[Hentenza]

I live in Texas which is an open carry state. Most people don’t open carry here even though is legal. I think a lot can go wrong with an exposed, loaded weapon. I prefer to conceal carry.

 

[jacks]

I think sometimes people open carry, because they either can't or don't want to go through the process of getting a concealed weapon permit.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Those who say that open carry of guns causes no problems should consider something that happened in Jacksonville, FL, last December. Deputies pulled a man over and ordered him out of the car. He had a gun in a holster. The Deputies decided that was legal. (I’m not so sure.) Still, they did not want to talk to an armed man at a traffic stop. One Deputy tried to lift the gun out of the holster. Maybe it was a tight fit, and did not come out easily. Deputy Mindy Cardwell wound up shooting driver Jason Arrington in the leg with his own gun.

We are told that Deputy Cardwell was dismissed, at least as a patrol Deputy, although she is still working part time for the Sheriff’s Department.

A source very friendly to guns warns us that “criminals do not fear guns—they seek them.” Open carry of a firearm can attract criminals who want to steal the gun.


Sources
Florida officer fired after she accidentally shot a driver with his own gun during a traffic stop
gunsamerica.com/digest/open-carry-goes-horribly-wrong

January 22, 2025 is now current events?

 

[jacks]

January 22, 2025 is now current events?

For those of us who are still coming to grips with the idea, the 90's happened over 30 years ago, it's current enough.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The cop shoots the legal gun owner with his own gun and it is the gun owners fault?

 

[Dale]

January 22, 2025 is now current events?

I am not posting this in News and Events. I am posting it in American Politics.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I live in Broken Arrow, OK - one of the safest cities in

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We are open carry.

 

[Fantine]

Personally I believe that any and all "carry" makes us less safe, and I think that all those who read the Gospels with an open heart and mind would heed Jesus' message about non-violence.

Broken Arrow seems like a great place to live, and I would guess it's an affluent suburb of Tulsa. I think that it's a great place to live because fewer people are carrying--not because they carry.

I once read that people are mourning the end of the "gun 'culture?'" T'hey are growing up in suburban and urban areas and aren't going hunting.

Fewer college educated people own guns. Fewer suburbanites and urban dwellers own guns. People who grew up in a gun-free atmosphere don't own guns. Gun ownership is least prevalent in the northeast.

I'm proof positive. Grew up in the northeast, had a dad who never fired a gun after WWII ended, grew up in the suburbs (was born in the city), college-educated and married someone who is also a college grad. My children never owned guns, either (although they did fish a little as children, they never hunted.)

And so Broken Arrow, although (I'm sure) Republican and located in the south, has lots of demographics indicating non-gun ownership. How fortunate you are to live there.

The demographics of gun ownership

Understanding gun ownership in America is not as simple as knowing who does and does not own a gun. Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Hentenza]

Personally I believe that any and all "carry" makes us less safe, and I think that all those who read the Gospels with an open heart and mind would heed Jesus' message about non-violence.

“And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭36‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 22:36 And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one.

bible.com

The apostles open carried.

 

[Lost4words]

Live by the sword, die by the sword...

 

[Hentenza]

Live by the sword, die by the sword...

So why did Jesus ask the disciples to sell their cloak and buy one?

 

[comana]

I do think it has potential to cause problems. I don’t trust anyone open carrying, outside of LEOs (and even that is questionable) to be correctly trained and prepared to handle it in a a dangerous situation. My understanding is that legal open carry has no requirements for training or proving any capability to safely handle a firearm.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Personally I believe that any and all "carry" makes us less safe, and I think that all those who read the Gospels with an open heart and mind would heed Jesus' message about non-violence.

Broken Arrow seems like a great place to live, and I would guess it's an affluent suburb of Tulsa. I think that it's a great place to live because fewer people are carrying--not because they carry.

I once read that people are mourning the end of the "gun 'culture?'" T'hey are growing up in suburban and urban areas and aren't going hunting.

Fewer college educated people own guns. Fewer suburbanites and urban dwellers own guns. People who grew up in a gun-free atmosphere don't own guns. Gun ownership is least prevalent in the northeast.

I'm proof positive. Grew up in the northeast, had a dad who never fired a gun after WWII ended, grew up in the suburbs (was born in the city), college-educated and married someone who is also a college grad. My children never owned guns, either (although they did fish a little as children, they never hunted.)

And so Broken Arrow, although (I'm sure) Republican and located in the south, has lots of demographics indicating non-gun ownership. How fortunate you are to live there.

The demographics of gun ownership

Understanding gun ownership in America is not as simple as knowing who does and does not own a gun. Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with

www.pewresearch.org

What makes people less safe about people CARRYING a gun? I can carry a gun and police officer can carry a gun the vast majority of the time if you are not causing any problems or being a threat you will not have to worry about it and if it is concealed you will not even know unless you know. For example I know some cousins and at least one other person that I know or am pretty sure they carry a gun I know my late aunt carried (her death was to natural causes. I have another aunt I am pretty sure carries or at least has a CCW ( she does not need in GA) I know a long time friend to carry all parties ( except for my cousin in law enforcement did/do so concealed and guess what I would trust ANY of them with my life

In fact, the late aunt and now one of her daughters ( who also carries is/was known to say choose grace over violence yet both carry/carried a gun my late aunt certainly would not start violence, but you can bet that if she felt her/our lives were being threatened she would shoot the person or people that were the threat lawful gun owners are for the most part not a threat unless you are.

I say for the most part because there ARE times when people either do not know/agree with the law ( not an excuse) or either something happens that they become mentally unstable.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Live by the sword, die by the sword...

living by the sword and using the sword are different things. Living by the sword is using violence first, but using the sword to protect yourself and others is not forbidden and in fact if people are not wiling to defend OTHERS when they have that ability I have an issue with if you want to not protect yourself fine if you have the ability ( note that is not always lethal force) to protect others and do not then that, I feel is an issue.

 

[comana]

What makes people less safe about people CARRYING a gun? I can carry a gun and police officer can carry a gun the vast majority of the time if you are not causing any problems or being a threat you will not have to worry about it and if it is concealed you will not even know unless you know. For example I know some cousins and at least one other person that I know or am pretty sure they carry a gun I know my late aunt carried (her death was to natural causes. I have another aunt I am pretty sure carries or at least has a CCW ( she does not need in GA) I know a long time friend to carry all parties ( except for my cousin in law enforcement did/do so concealed and guess what I would trust ANY of them with my life

In fact, the late aunt and now one of her daughters ( who also carries is/was known to say choose grace over violence yet both carry/carried a gun my late aunt certainly would not start violence, but you can bet that if she felt her/our lives were being threatened she would shoot the person or people that were the threat lawful gun owners are for the most part not a threat unless you are.

I say for the most part because there ARE times when people either do not know/agree with the law ( not an excuse) or either something happens that they become mentally unstable.

You trust those you know well to safely handle their firearm, but do you extend that same trust to just anyone who can legally open carry?

 

[dogs4thewin]

You trust those you know well to safely handle their firearm, but do you extend that same trust to just anyone who can legally open carry?

The fact of the matter is that people who can be trusted with guns can be trusted and those who cannot cannot I am not stupid enough to think that everyone with guns. I DO happen to oppose open carry ONLY on the grounds that the person loses the element of surprise if someone goes somewhere with bad intendents and they SEE someone has a gun that will go one of two ways either they will shoot the person OR they would go away because they know someone would shoot back.

I mean there are plenty of people who cannot trusted with guns who do not give darn that it is illegal. There are also people like ME who KNOW they should not carry would LOVE to carry but do not because they know they should not based on whatever factor in my case eye sight and motor skills so poor that I would have a tough time knowing what I was shooting at and/or keeping my finger off the trigger until I was ready (not on purpose, of course

 

[FenderTL5]

So why did Jesus ask the disciples to sell their cloak and buy one?

Read the very next verse after the one you posted, it tells you.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Personally I believe that any and all "carry" makes us less safe, and I think that all those who read the Gospels with an open heart and mind would heed Jesus' message about non-violence.

Peter carried a sword -

Broken Arrow seems like a great place to live, and I would guess it's an affluent suburb of Tulsa. I think that it's a great place to live because fewer people are carrying--not because they carry.

Pretty much everyone has the ability to carry - it is not uncommon to see people exercising their rights daily. It's a great place to live for a number of reasons - but lots of people carry - you are incorrect in your assumption. There are some affluent area's but the vast majority is middle income. Just like me.

I once read that people are mourning the end of the "gun 'culture?'" T'hey are growing up in suburban and urban areas and aren't going hunting.

In Chicago perhaps? - oh, wait - they have more guns - just not legal.

Fewer college educated people own guns. Fewer suburbanites and urban dwellers own guns. People who grew up in a gun-free atmosphere don't own guns. Gun ownership is least prevalent in the northeast.

Got proof for such a statement?

I'm proof positive. Grew up in the northeast, had a dad who never fired a gun after WWII ended, grew up in the suburbs (was born in the city), college-educated and married someone who is also a college grad. My children never owned guns, either (although they did fish a little as children, they never hunted.)

I'm proof positive - Grew up in NY - I've carried concealed since 1981, college grad, Married to a beautiful woman (college grad) who carries occasionally - I have six children with the exception of one - we all have the ability to carry - (no Hunters).

And so Broken Arrow, although (I'm sure) Republican and located in the south, has lots of demographics indicating non-gun ownership. How fortunate you are to live there.

I am fortunate to live here. Low Taxes - strong family values - strong conservative area - four Christian Universities - great schools where they still pray with the kids. And freedom to carry openly.

Sure there are some who do not carry - but I'd suspect they are in the minority.

The demographics of gun ownership

Understanding gun ownership in America is not as simple as knowing who does and does not own a gun. Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Hentenza]

Read the very next verse after the one you posted, it tells you.

Because they will be counted among the lawless. Rev. 1 also touches on this topic