Does Multiculturalism Work?

[Nithavela]

No.

There is no country in the world where multiculturalism was successful. And countries where the multiculturalism is the most spread are internally messed up the most.

Some cultures/races seem to be compatible (for example whites and asians), some seem to be incompatible.

Why do you think that asians and whites are compatible?

 

[Halbhh]

No. Not until the eternal kingdom. Taking on the culture and customs of the people around them was always Israels down fall.

Not perfectly until then, yes! But!...our instruction from Christ, and by example also, is to include those from the other culture right now, today, as chance encounters lead us --

John 4:9 "You are a Jew," said the woman. "How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?" (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)

We are definitely to 'associate with' -- love -- our neighbors who are not like us, not from our own local culture, He showed us. Is your neighbor from Africa, or from Eastern Europe? Love them as yourself!

 

[Running2win]

Having a hard time with this question. The more I look into it, "multiculturalism" seems a slippery term. Cant grasp it with bare hands.

It's a buzz word of the left. Out of it comes forced views of the left: busing, lbqt, hating America, BLM, protesting the flag, not having to learn our language, and on and on.

Multiculturalism" is the co-existence of diverse cultures, where culture includes racial, religious, or cultural groups and is manifested in customary behaviours, cultural assumptions and values, patterns of thinking, and communicative styles.

 

[Running2win]

Right. The word 'multiculturalism' could mean just the fact of what's happened in America for hundreds of years.

Or...something different, like people refusing to get to really know anyone from other ethnic groups.

I think there is a constant struggle between:

"Love your neighbor as yourself" and the opposite.

'Multicultural' is a word that is about that nexus -- will people love their neighbors or stay alienated from them?

America use to be a melting pot, now it's a division pot because of the left.

 

[Running2win]

Not perfectly until then, yes! But!...our instruction from Christ, and by example also, is to include those from the other culture right now, today, as chance encounters lead us --

John 4:9 "You are a Jew," said the woman. "How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?" (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)

We are definitely to 'associate with' -- love -- our neighbors who are not like us, not from our own local culture, He showed us. Is your neighbor from Africa, or from Eastern Europe? Love them as yourself!

The question was does it work. No it don't, until we all believe in the same God and laws and Satan is done away with.

 

[Running2win]

So youre just staring at the Bible and saying "No" to it? Thats what it looks like when you flatly reject those two commands.

So, like I told the other person, it does not work this side of the eternal kingdom. Notice the OP question.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Can different cultures, with so many differences on culture, heritage, lifestyles, Religion and pride in all aspects of these things, ever be truly united without someone giving up who they are or what they are or what they believe?

No. Multiculturalism is a farce, based on a myth that people are inherently not tribal. They are. Australians have had multiculturalism shoved down our collective throats for decades. The result is as you'd expect. Suburbs have been taken over by different ethnic groups. Nothing multicultural about that.

 

[Halbhh]

America use to be a melting pot, now it's a division pot because of the left.

Not the "left", no, nor the "right", but instead something far darker. Division/strife/hate come as part of the effects of evil itself. Evil isn't merely some political ideas, whether to have Medicare or not, or free public schooling...but something more fundamental and also spread around everywhere, affecting all human beings, and we need redeeming from it! Only through Christ can we really be led out of it.

 

[durangodawood]

America use to be a melting pot, now it's a division pot because of the left.

Sounds wrong. Especially in older times white Americans were really quite hostile to integrated environments... enough so that segregation was actual law in many places, and de facto policy in the rest.

 

[JackRT]

No.

There is no country in the world where multiculturalism was successful. And countries where the multiculturalism is the most spread are internally messed up the most.

Some cultures/races seem to be compatible (for example whites and asians), some seem to be incompatible.

I disagree. Canada is a highly successful nation and is also probably the most culturally diverse nation on the face of the earth. It is those nations which are the most ethnically homogenous which seen to have the most trouble absorbing
immigrants or refugees of differing ethnicities.

When I visited Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco I saw Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians, Tibetans, Taiwanese, Filipinos, Indonesians, Laotians, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Thais, Malayans, Burmese, Indians, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Afghans. I was astonished and said to my wife "What in heck are all these Canadians doing here?"

 

[durangodawood]

....Suburbs have been taken over by different ethnic groups. Nothing multicultural about that.

Suburbs are supposed to be white! Its in the Bible. Book Of Suburbs, I believe.

 

[Halbhh]

The question was does it work. No it don't, until we all believe in the same God and laws and Satan is done away with.

I agree, as you are using the meaning of the word 'multiculturalism' in a very certain way (only) which could be possibly defined as: "people adhering very faithfully to a certain culture of their own and rejecting and refusing to love their neighbors who are not of that same identical culture" -- refusing to love the Mexicans or such next door or next block. Using that definition, then that 'multiculturalism' of that kind is very bad indeed.

 

[Running2win]

Sounds wrong. Especially in older times white Americans were really quite hostile to integrated environments... enough so that segregation was actual law in many places, and de facto policy in the rest.

People use to come to America and "melt", in the big migrations. Now they are encouraged to not love the country even hate it by the left. Same way with those that live here.

 

[Running2win]

Not the "left", no, nor the "right", but instead something far darker. Division/strife/hate come as part of the effects of evil itself. Evil isn't merely some political ideas, whether to have Medicare or not, or free public schooling...but something more fundamental and also spread around everywhere, affecting all human beings, and we need redeeming from it! Only through Christ can we really be led out of it.

No, there is a right and wrong. The left is wrong, the right is...Right! Never change my mind on this.

 

[Halbhh]

No, there is a right and wrong. The left is wrong, the right is...Right! Never change my mind on this.

Ok, that's merely worldly political stuff. Only Christ saves, and only Christ's way/words is the real Truth that endures forever, and is truly the good.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Suburbs are supposed to be white! Its in the Bible. Book Of Suburbs, I believe.

They are supposed to be mixed. That's supposedly multiculturalism. It doesn't happen. I'm not racist. I am a realist. And there are Greek, Italian and British suburbs as well as Chinese, Sudanese and Vietnamese. The only difference is that Europeans don't stand out as much.

 

[durangodawood]

No, there is a right and wrong. The left is wrong, the right is...Right! Never change my mind on this.

Thats a huge mistake. The left is the gas, the right is the brakes. There have been times when one needs to be applied more than the other, and vice versa.

(If only the pedals on actual cars were reversed so my metaphor would be more perfect)

 

[Halbhh]

They are supposed to be mixed. That's supposedly multiculturalism. It doesn't happen. I'm not racist. I am a realist. And there are Greek, Italian and British suburbs as well as Chinese, Sudanese and Vietnamese. The only difference is that Europeans don't stand out as much.

I'm lucky perhaps, but my neighborhood has people from a variety of ethic heritages and skin tones, and they are all friendly! (yes, really). Locally most everyone in this neighborhood seems (those I meet) to embrace a particular American idea (which is a good idea, as it actually is a piece/part of "love your neighbor as yourself") of us all being neighborly, together. Of course, it's the local culture(!), heh heh.

 

[Running2win]

I agree, as you are using the meaning of the word 'multiculturalism' in a very certain way (only) which could be possibly defined as: "people adhering very faithfully to a certain culture of their own and rejecting and refusing to love their neighbors who are not of that same identical culture" -- refusing to love the Mexicans or such next door or next block. Using that definition, then that 'multiculturalism' of that kind is very bad indeed.

No, the multiculturalism today is of the evil sort, that says we have to accept all faiths, and everything the left pushes, or we are bad and unloving. Forcing people together will always have a bad outcome. I don't fellowship with liberal darkness.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Can different cultures, with so many differences on culture, heritage, lifestyles, Religion and pride in all aspects of these things, ever be truly united without someone giving up who they are or what they are or what they believe?

In the past the US had done OK with its original monoculturalism (everybody is American English except for their last names and food preferences), and later multiculturalism. I think however Islam and middle eastern groups are going to break the system because they want to promote things like Sharia law, Islam, Islamic culture in the west under the umbrella of multiculturalism. And the problem of that is they do not really believe in multiculturalism or the Lockean Social Contract theory that this country is based on.

And besides that we got the social justice warriors promoting cultural Marxism that every race and culture is great except for Caucasian European based America. And that has its own problems that we see played out on the News with Antifa and BLM riots.

Anyway we need to rethink our standards on this issue, because clearly things are in a self destructive direction.

 

[Running2win]

I'm lucky perhaps, but my neighborhood has people from a variety of ethic heritages and skin tones, and they are all friendly! (yes, really). Locally most everyone in this neighborhood seems (those I meet) to embrace a particular American idea (which is a good idea, as it actually is a piece/part of "love your neighbor as yourself") of us all being neighborly, together. Of course, it's the local culture(!), heh heh.

Same way with mine. Everyone is at a certain economic level and has worked hard for their piece of the pie. But the left is totally against this paradigm.