Does morality exist without God?

[Zebra1552]

Last time I checked Christianity made the allegiation that god was the creator of everything.

Creator, yes. Of everything physical, yes. The Bible states nowhere that He preordained everything. Creating something does not mean that the creator decides what all is to become of it. That's why gun manufacturers aren't blamed when someone gets murdered by a gun they made.

Now, you for one may have a differing god concept, but now that you have spent post after post deconstructing every Christian god concept that I have ever come across it might be a good idea to present your positive personal god concept - if you want the discussion based on it, that is.

I've spent post after post showing that Christianity isn't just what a bunch of people wearing collars say it is. I can be a Christian and disagree with how most Christians describe what Christianity is about.

 

[dewaddict84]

Creator, yes. Of everything physical, yes. The Bible states nowhere that He preordained everything. Creating something does not mean that the creator decides what all is to become of it.

I believe that's part comes with the omnipotence and the omniscience, that is if you think your god swings that way.

Has anyone mentioned yet that we're a social species? We've lived in societies for long enough that the basics of working together, as can be represented as a set of morals, has been ingrained into our nature.

Also, we can be eusocial like ants, bees, and naked mole rats. Helping my neighbor indirectly helps me, which is why we do altruistic things.

Morality is way older then the concept of a monotheistic god.

 

[chris4243]

Is it possible to do good outside of one's biology and societal conditioning?

Yes. I could decide to do something good for some random reason.

 

[chris4243]

Does morality exist without God?

My dog seems to understand morality, and plenty of research has been done on animal morality.

 

[variant]

Does morality exist without God?

My dog seems to understand morality, and plenty of research has been done on animal morality.

Are you suggesting that your dog is godless?

 

[Zebra1552]

I believe that's part comes with the omnipotence and the omniscience, that is if you think your god swings that way.

Has anyone mentioned yet that we're a social species? We've lived in societies for long enough that the basics of working together, as can be represented as a set of morals, has been ingrained into our nature.

Also, we can be eusocial like ants, bees, and naked mole rats. Helping my neighbor indirectly helps me, which is why we do altruistic things.

Morality is way older then the concept of a monotheistic god.

LOL. That's funny.

 

[sandwiches]

LOL. That's funny.

What is this? You from evading questions to trolling??

 

[quatona]

I've spent post after post showing that Christianity isn't just what a bunch of people wearing collars say it is. I can be a Christian and disagree with how most Christians describe what Christianity is about.

Yes, that´s what I said. And I said that - if you want the discussion to be about the god of your individual concept - it would be time to tell us what you think god is instead of what god might not be.

 

[SithDoughnut]

LOL. That's funny.

YouTube - It's funny 'cause it's true

 

[chris4243]

Are you suggesting that your dog is godless?

I think my dog does not believe in God. I don't think it could even understand that statement.

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

2 wrongs = no right



drugs ie..


medicinal cocaine used .... marajuana smoked..



but on the street they are illegal... and elicit


hm hm

 

[Wiccan_Child]

2 wrongs = no right



drugs ie..


medicinal cocaine used .... marajuana smoked..



but on the street they are illegal... and elicit


hm hm

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what?

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

explain wrong n right

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what?

 

[Zebra1552]

What is this? You from evading questions to trolling??

No. You said the idea of morality is older than the idea of God. I find that hilarious.

 

[Zebra1552]

Yes, that´s what I said. And I said that - if you want the discussion to be about the god of your individual concept - it would be time to tell us what you think god is instead of what god might not be.

The discussion isn't going anywhere, so what would be the point in wasting more of my time?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

explain wrong n right

'Right' and 'wrong' are labels we give to actions (and, occasionally, thoughts and beliefs) to denote things we should and shouldn't do, respectively. If I say "Stealing is wrong", I'm saying "We should not steal". They're labels to denote what ought to be. Naturally, everyone has their own way of labelling things.

I still don't understand your post, though.

 

[belarm]

That would indeed be the case if A and B were missing. Quite familiar with the fallacy, thanks though. Perhaps you can find something more fitting to apply it to.

You are correct, you didn't actually affirm the consequent. You stated:
D implies C implies B implies A
C is true
D is true
Therefore A

But you never proved that C implies B (Or either of the other two assertions, for that matter). Obviously, atheists would disagree with at least 'B implies A', and for the ones posting here, 'C implies B' isn't exactly self-evident (see the posts about non-humans exhibiting what we call morality).

 

[belarm]

Wiccan_Child: I suspect we've got a bit of a language barrier, here.

AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2: Please don't take offense, but do you speak something other than English as your first language?

 

[Zebra1552]

You are correct, you didn't actually affirm the consequent. You stated:
D implies C implies B implies A
C is true
D is true
Therefore A

But you never proved that C implies B (Or either of the other two assertions, for that matter). Obviously, atheists would disagree with at least 'B implies A', and for the ones posting here, 'C implies B' isn't exactly self-evident (see the posts about non-humans exhibiting what we call morality).

Context, my friend. I've already demonstrated the principles that come from the Bible- C to B- and I've demonstrated the morality comes from the principles- D to C. I'm not about to say all morality and all principles come from the Bible, and I haven't. What I am saying is that some morality cannot exist without God, and I have given ample evidence to provide for this statement. That many principles used today came from the Bible- regardless of if they came from other sources in addition to the Bible- shows this.

 

[quatona]

The discussion isn't going anywhere, so what would be the point in wasting more of my time?

Well, for a change, you could contribute something to the discussion that would help it going somewhere. Just an idea.