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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
We'll show you evidence, when you show us evidence that god cures ANYTHING. Sound like a deal? Good.
You don't think your god created that pizza?
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Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?
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This is irrelevant. If something is the cause of illness, providing the cure doesn't change that it was the cause. You can argue about it being the first cause, but the logic doesn't follow.
By that logic, I could go around sticking needles of poison in people, and then when the police and the men in white coats show, I could just say "It's ok, I have the antidote!
" and everything would be hunkydory.
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SithDoughnut
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God created humans, yes? (Whether he did it through evolution or creationism is besides the point, God still did it)
Humans are capable of growing cancerous cells. So therefore God created me knowing full well that I had the potential to get cancer, and, as he is omniscient, knew that I would get cancer. (I don't actually have cancer, this is just an example)
Therefore God created me so that I would get cancer. If he didn't want me to get cancer he would have created me differently.
Therefore God causes cancer.
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MoonLancer
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This argument is one of many that make me the atheist today.
God created the forbidden fruit, God created man, God knows by creating man and the forbidden fruit that man will eat said fruit. And yet somehow the blame is entirely mans? Really? no i don't think so. If God created the forbidden fruit and a man who would eat that fruit there is no way the following consequences were not his plan and design if he is also all knowing.
God created the forbidden fruit, God created man, God knows by creating man and the forbidden fruit that man will eat said fruit. And yet somehow the blame is entirely mans? Really? no i don't think so. If God created the forbidden fruit and a man who would eat that fruit there is no way the following consequences were not his plan and design if he is also all knowing.
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SithDoughnut
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The counter-argument I've for that is that God cannot know the future because it is not determined. Therefore God knows all that there is to know - but there is no definite future to know, just possibilities. That's more of an argument to do with omniscience, but I thought it could apply here.
Of course, what that means is that God put the tree down knowing that the possibility of temptation would be there. Why he'd decide to lay down traps for Adam I don't know, especially as they didn't know right from wrong yet - that came from the tree that they weren't allowed to eat from, but they couldn't have understood that to do it was wrong.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
Then, if he doesn't KNOW the future, regardless of how many possibilities, he's not omniscient and, therefore, not omnipotent.
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SithDoughnut
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But there is no future to know. He knows all the potential futures and their likelihood of happpening, because that is all there is.
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MoonLancer
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I would accept that as a counter argument. It radically changes God from being the 'all everything', and more like a Zeus or Odin archetype who created humans. This would also mean God is fallible and prone to making mistakes, as seen by telling man not to do something when man knows not of good or evil yes. man would not know he is doing anything wrong.
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SithDoughnut
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I'm sure everyone knows what good or evil is. They won't all agree but I'm sure they all know their own opinion.
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If good and evil have a set definition then why do people's opinions differ on what is good and what is evil?
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MoonLancer
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welcome to the complicated world called life. Also known as the human condition.
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Because the set definition is ignored, just as it was in the garden.
Now we have everyone going to war in the name of their own opinion of what is good and evil.
Bin Laden thinks Bin Laden was good and Bush was evil, and Bush thinks Bush was good and Bin Laden was evil.
Whose opinion is correct?
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