Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?

[SkyWriting]

I note you don't actually bother to explain what, specifically, is flawed or unscientific about it.

Argument by declaration is a logical fallacy. A recognised one, not one you just have to take my word on, unlike your point.

Like I said: Inability or unwillingness to understand. You counter arguments that that no one has said and without any basis or elaboration on your arguments, I might add.

I can elaborate then.
The simplest answer is NOT always the correct one. Duh.
Nor, even if it is USUALLY the correct one, does that make it any more correct. It simply makes it statistically correct more often.
And then there is analysis of the concept of "simplicity" which, aside from being non-existent, is entirely Qualitative.

And simple but wildly inaccurate theories are not hard to come up with.
Nor are accurate theories which are highly complex.

And then there is, "b-caws they say so:"

1. ^ Alan Baker, Simplicity, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, (2004) Simplicity (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
2. ^ Courtney A, Courtney M: Comments Regarding "On the Nature Of Science", Physics in Canada, Vol. 64, No. 3 (2008), p7-8.
3. ^ Dieter Gernert, Ockham's Razor and Its Improper Use, Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 21, No. 1, pp. 135-140, (2007).
4. ^Elliott Sober, Let’s Razor Occam’s Razor, p. 73-93, from Dudley Knowles (ed.) Explanation and Its Limits, Cambridge University Press (1994).

And Thanks for goading me into researching it so I can chuckle more when people try to apply it for themselves.

 

[SkyWriting]

I thought God made light, not that he is light?

No, he's correct: "God is light and in him is no darkness at all."

 

[SkyWriting]

You think you can, you don't know you can. I can detect fairies, you know.

Let's suppose you were driving across 100 miles of cornfields on a rainy day, wipers going, and a family member has a medical emergency. You ask God for help and the instant you turn the problem over to this higher power, a "crop circle" appears before you, it stops raining, help arrives, the ground is dry as you get out and help your family member.

Now suppose this instant response happens every time, the same way?

Do I know or am I just thinking that God is real?

 

[pgp_protector]

No, he's correct: "God is light and in him is no darkness at all."

So are Photons (What Light is made of) Spirit or is God not a Spirit?
OR was that Bible verse Poetic?

 

[Skaloop]

Let's suppose you were driving across 100 miles of cornfields on a rainy day, wipers going, and a family member has a medical emergency. You ask God for help and the instant you turn the problem over to this higher power, a "crop circle" appears before you, it stops raining, help arrives, the ground is dry as you get out and help your family member.

Now suppose this instant response happens every time, the same way?

Do I know or am I just thinking that God is real?

If that were to happen the way you describe (at the very instant, with such extraordinary occurrences, every time) then that would certainly indicate something spectacular. Not necessarily God, though.

If only that ever happened to anyone. Ever.

No, you do not know. You are just thinking. Even if those very things happened, you are just thinking that god is real. Maybe some other higher power did it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I can elaborate then.
The simplest answer is NOT always the correct one. Duh.

Duh indeed. Did you really think you were telling us something we didn't already know?

 

[Skaloop]

No, he's correct: "God is light and in him is no darkness at all."

But god existed before light (according to the bible, which says god created light), so how could he be light? If he went from not being light to being light, then he changed, which means he either wasn't perfect or he isn't perfect.

Also, is god all types of light? If so, why does god, as ultraviolet light, cause cancer? That's not very nice.

 

[SkyWriting]

So are Photons (What Light is made of) Spirit or is God not a Spirit?
OR was that Bible verse Poetic?

Not or...and
Literal reality is very poetic. Is Spirit energy? Is energy eternal? When energy approaches the speed of lite, does is slow down to what we call eternal? Could that be why Spirit is eternal? Because Science proves it is?

 

[SkyWriting]

But god existed before light (according to the bible, which says god created light), so how could he be light? If he went from not being light to being light, then he changed, which means he either wasn't perfect or he isn't perfect.

Also, is god all types of light? If so, why does god, as ultraviolet light, cause cancer? That's not very nice.

If I hadn't turned away from God, you wouldn't get Cancer. But I did and now you suffer from my choice. (I'm speaking for Adam) God is Light. I know. He and I used to walk together in what you might call Heaven. It was a Garden really. A utopia of sorts. He is light and He brought light to His Creation just before I got here. But I didn't realize how good I had it. I decided I could handle the decision making myself so I turned my back on my Creator. Then the dirt hit the fan. I didn't want for anything, and now God gave me ALL the responsibility for my actions.

This earth is not Heaven nor is it the Garden. It's dying, thanks to me & Eve. And now you get burned as well. And now there's Death. My Bad.

 

[Ellinas]

If I hadn't turned away from God, you wouldn't get Cancer. But I did and now you suffer from my choice. (I'm speaking for Adam) God is Light. I know. He and I used to walk together in what you might call Heaven. It was a Garden really. A utopia of sorts. He is light and He brought light to His Creation just before I got here. But I didn't realize how good I had it. I decided I could handle the decision making myself so I turned my back on my Creator. Then the dirt hit the fan. I didn't want for anything, and now God gave me ALL the responsibility for my actions.

This earth is not Heaven nor is it the Garden. It's dying, thanks to me & Eve. And now you get burned as well. And now there's Death. My Bad.

What makes you think that only you are right? Prove what you say and I may consider it otherwise your say is no more different than the ones who believe in leprechauns!

 

[CoderHead]

If I hadn't turned away from God, you wouldn't get Cancer. But I did and now you suffer from my choice. (I'm speaking for Adam) *snip* My Bad.

What a strange narrative. This entire concept brings us full circle to the concept of a loving God. I am now, 6000 years later, suffering for a single act of disobedience by two people that I couldn't possibly have influenced? 6000 years???

How do Christians buy into the Adam and Eve story and still proclaim, "God is love?" That does not compute.

 

[Nathan Poe]

What a strange narrative. This entire concept brings us full circle to the concept of a loving God. I am now, 6000 years later, suffering for a single act of disobedience by two people that I couldn't possibly have influenced? 6000 years???

How do Christians buy into the Adam and Eve story and still proclaim, "God is love?" That does not compute.

How Christians buy into the Adam and Eve story and not see it as a mockery of morality, nature, justice, and reason doesn't compute either.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Not or...and
Literal reality is very poetic. Is Spirit energy?

No

Is energy eternal?

No

When energy approaches the speed of lite, does is slow down to what we call eternal?

No

Could that be why Spirit is eternal?

Could what be why the spirit is eternal?

Because Science proves it is?

Science doesn't prove anything about spirits. Spirits are entirely non-scientific phenomena

 

[AV1611VET]

Science doesn't prove anything about spirits.

You did good on those first four words.

 

[SkyWriting]

What a strange narrative. This entire concept brings us full circle to the concept of a loving God. I am now, 6000 years later, suffering for a single act of disobedience by two people that I couldn't possibly have influenced? 6000 years???

How do Christians buy into the Adam and Eve story and still proclaim, "God is love?" That does not compute.

You could be a loyal servant of the Most High for all eternity,
or a Free Willed maverick who returns to his Maker voluntarily for all eternity.
To answer the age old question, God choose the path that was in our best
long term interest. Part of Him had to die just so we could have the option to return.
Sure, it hurts sometimes. Deal.

 

[SkyWriting]

Science doesn't prove anything about spirits. Spirits are entirely non-scientific phenomena

Science says that time is not an influence at the speed of light. A Spirit would have no mass, so would have no problem moving at that speed. Or it may be at that speed at all times. So it would have no problem being eternal in the "future" as well as in the past. So could easily have existed before the Cosmos was created. No, it doesn't "prove" anything. It's just a tool. A method. A procedure. Nothing more.

 

[SkyWriting]

If that were to happen the way you describe (at the very instant, with such extraordinary occurrences, every time) then that would certainly indicate something spectacular. Not necessarily God, though.

If only that ever happened to anyone. Ever.

No, you do not know. You are just thinking. Even if those very things happened, you are just thinking that god is real. Maybe some other higher power did it.

Sure. I'll buy that. We may actually be in the Matrix and a computer causes it to happen for me. But I'm really quite satisfied with the whole "God" explanation because that's really working for me. Unless it was because I was within 100 miles of the Mayo Clinic at the time. Maybe the Clinic has special powers. I don't think being skeptical will help if I'm wrong though.

There was that time in Seattle....

And that time before my first job...

And that time in a field during my lunch break...

And that time I almost lost my house....

So for me...it's all real. And Scientific.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You could be a loyal servant of the Most High for all eternity,
or a Free Willed maverick who returns to his Maker voluntarily for all eternity.

or choose option C.

Part of Him had to die just so we could have the option to return.

Had to? Sounds like He didn't have a choice.

What was it that forced God's hand?

 

[theFijian]

I told you I don’t believe empirical proof is the only way we can know the truth about reality. Why do you keep saying I hold that belief? There may be non-empirical, sound, objective evidence out there that can be used to verify the existence of something, but I can’t think of any at the moment.

First, I see you are continuing to evade my request for examples of non-empirical, sound, objective evidence

That's because for you empirical evidence is the only kind sound objective evidence you can get. You're the one saying there are other types of sound objective evidence which are non-empirical but you can't think of any! Could that be because you don't actually believe it? Anyway I'll sign off and save ourselves some time cos the original point I was trying to make is the point I made in a similar post I made a while ago and the person I was addressing took exception to it a bit like you're doing. Rather helpfully though another poster (an agnostic) summed it up nicely. have fun

Edit: one other thing...

The answer “God did it” isn’t just not a scientific explanation; it isn’t an explanation at all. It is an admission of ignorance. As I said way back on page 4, saying “Goddidit” is a condensed way of saying, “I don’t know how it happened, but I’m uncomfortable with not knowing so I’m going to assume an explanation that reinforces my comforting religious beliefs and I’m unwilling or unable to investigate the matter any further.”

Except understanding that 'Goddidit' doesn't stop you from understanding how 'Goddidit' it happened. Therefore what you said all the way back on page 4 is wrong.

 

[Cabal]

How Christians buy into the Adam and Eve story and not see it as a mockery of morality, nature, justice, and reason doesn't compute either.

Some will go to extreme lengths to explain away these incidents.