Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?

storm9 said:

If God says, 'I have done this' Then this is a good enough explaination for me. Short answer is yes, is it good enough to be an explaination. If you dont believe him then its a question of faith not science. God's wisdom laughs at the folly of men, see Proverbs. Good luck!

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But if I write "God Tole me to write God says 'I've Done This'" is that good enough for you?

dear protector
If you believe that God exists and that He speaks to His people then yes. These people have been esteemed as prophets and God has worked through them and yes told some to write and do this or that. More over these texts are infallable, they have been tested and are regarded as History/ Fact and have all auithority in matters of Moral conduct.

Besides if you are searching for the first hand experince of Scripture, then invite the Holy Spirit to come into your heart and show you these things in Jesus name... He will give you insite into things that even you, yourself will be shocked at....

We Christians are not all that which meets the eye, certainly God is with us.. I hope you can see this... stay blessed...

AV1611VET said:

Everyone's wrong but you, eh?

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Don't you mean that everyone is wrong but you, AVET?

storm9 said:

If God says, 'I have done this' Then this is a good enough explaination for me. Short answer is yes, is it good enough to be an explaination. If you dont believe him then its a question of faith not science. God's wisdom laughs at the folly of men, see Proverbs. Good luck!

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But when has God ever said "I did this" to you or to anyone else?

Please note, if all you have are other people claiming God said it, well -- you're not going to convince anyone.

storm9 said:

dear protector
If you believe that God exists and that He speaks to His people then yes.

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So -- if you believe that God does something, you must therefore believe everythign that people claim God did for/to/with them?

These people have been esteemed as prophets and God has worked through them and yes told some to write and do this or that.

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Esteemed by whom? What exactly does it take to earn a "prophet" moniker besides getting people to believe it?

dear Nathan,

1. By saying God said, 'I did this' Im referering to creation and Genesis, (putting it in my own words through understanding)...

2. people usually make up their own minds, but your right I do hope to convince some of my understanding..

3. I align all things with the word of GOD before I take them on board..

4. As for the prophets, they are esteemed by Christians like us... truth be known they were probably despised by their generation because they testified that Isreals deeds were sinful at that time...(in OT)

I howe this helps...

storm9 said:

dear Nathan,

1. By saying God said, 'I did this' Im referering to creation and Genesis, (putting it in my own words through understanding)...

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At least you have the honesty to admit you're using your own words -- My point is that perhaps the authors of Genesis were not as honest.

In a court of law, it's called "hearsay." Unless you heard God say it, why should I believe you when you say He did?

2. people usually make up their own minds, but your right I do hope to convince some of my understanding..

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And I want you to understand why you're -- less than convincing.

3. I align all things with the word of GOD before I take them on board..

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As interpreted by -- you. Nothing new under the sun there.

4. As for the prophets, they are esteemed by Christians like us... truth be known they were probably despised by their generation because they testified that Isreals deeds were sinful at that time...(in OT)

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So, they were like you, except unpopular.

World's full of unpopular people -- none of them qualify as "prophet."

I howe this helps...

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Likewise.

thankyou for your careful approach to my answers... however Id like to add..

that it is assumed that Moses wrote Genesis, but again regarding the early books it helps to look into Jewish tradition, they have a wealth of knwledge in this matter...

As for the court, well we swear by the HOLY bible to tell the truth...but I would refer to my actions out of faith and the book (bible).. and what the Holy Spirit had told me.. as you are well aware they would not accpet my testimony and cast it out unreliable/ opinion..

2. I conceed that i may not by convincing but I am not good at argueing rather better at showing love.. just so you know I have been brought up in the faith so I will never deny it..

3.there is a concencus amounst all denominations regarding scripture, theology is the same in all Christiandom (the basics/important bits anyways) and Christ knows this, how diff part of His body are accepting of some things more than others...

5. in the OT, it was God who qualified you as a prophet. Prophecy is the gift of telling the future, if it came true people would say it is of God, if not then a lie.... simple..

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Doveaman said:

That's because you do not know what "believe" mean. Your dictionary definition of "believe" falls way short of Jesus' definition. Jesus' definition demands reform.

"Now reform your ways and your actions and obey the LORD your God. Then the LORD will relent and not bring the disaster he has pronounced against you." - Jer 26:13.

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Excuse me! I thought "Jer" referred to "Jeremiah", but then as I am not an expert on the bible having taken only two college level courses on it, I will bow to your expertise, and admit that "Jer" refers to Je(sus)r(ex?).

But as I understand it the Hebrew "yatab" (used 107 times in the bible but translated as "amend/reform" only four times) means the same as the Hebrew "aman" (used 108 times and translated 44 times as "believe" and and the Greek "pisteuo" (occurring 248 times and translated as "believe" 239 times).

But that was not my point. My point was that many of the christians posting on this forum and many I have met, say that "belief" is all that is necessary. You can still sin, and may be punished, but you will be saved as long as you "believe". Of course when you get to the nitty-gritty, you can seldom find two Christians who hold the same theological beliefs.


But of course, you are right and all those other Christians are wrong. I glad you cleared that up.

Gracchus said:

But that was not my point. My point was that many of the christians posting on this forum and many I have met, say that "belief" is all that is necessary. You can still sin, and may be punished, but you will be saved as long as you "believe". Of course when you get to the nitty-gritty, you can seldom find two Christians who hold the same theological beliefs.


But of course, you are right and all those other Christians are wrong. I glad you cleared that up.

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Romans 6


1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

AV1611VET said:

Everyone's wrong but you, eh?

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Well, there's plenty of people who agree with me. They're right too.

And you're not going to convince me otherwise by simply posting quotes from previous English translations of the Bible. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek first. Given that "lucifer" is a Latin word, it's very clearly a translation error. And in any event, it is clear from context that "lucifer", as used in the Bible, does not refer to Satan in any way, but rather to an earthly king. Do you have any evidence to the contrary, that takes the original languages of the Bible into account?

Spacewyrm said:

And you're not going to convince me otherwise by simply posting quotes from previous English translations of the Bible.

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May I remind you that your original statement was that the King James translators must have "forgotten" to translate Lucifer?

When I pointed out three of the KJV's predecessors that also included it, going all the way back to 1398, you made the doosey of a statement that it appears they forgot as well.

Oh well --- you're welcome to your opinion.

And with that, you're right, I'm certainly not going to convince you.

AV1611VET said:

May I remind you that your original statement was that the King James translators must have "forgotten" to translate Lucifer?

When I pointed out three of the KJV's predecessors that also included it, going all the way back to 1398, you made the doosey of a statement that it appears they forgot as well.

Oh well --- you're welcome to your opinion.

And with that, you're right, I'm certainly not going to convince you.

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Well, along the way, someone forgot to translate "lucifer". You've at least shown that the error dates to before the KJV. It seems they just failed to correct it. (by the way, the Bible predates 1398 by quite a few years).

AV1611VET said:

May I remind you that your original statement was that the King James translators must have "forgotten" to translate Lucifer?

When I pointed out three of the KJV's predecessors that also included it, going all the way back to 1398, you made the doosey of a statement that it appears they forgot as well.

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Yes, they both forgot. That the predecessors forgot does not take any blame away from the KJV translators.

If I had a shopping list, and forgot to get the eggs, then gave the list to someone else later and they also forgot to get the eggs, then we both made a mistake.

Skaloop said:

Yes, they both forgot. That the predecessors forgot does not take any blame away from the KJV translators.

If I had a shopping list, and forgot to get the eggs, then gave the list to someone else later and they also forgot to get the eggs, then we both made a mistake.

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Oh well --- I guess the concept of preservation is foreign to those who think we're all copying errors.

AV1611VET said:

Oh well --- I guess the concept of preservation is foreign to those who think we're all copying errors.

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I guess the concept of preservation is foreign to someone who utterly strawmans a point of view to that extent.

So much for "literalism" and whining about the telephone game.

Wiccan_Child said:

Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? It doesn't matter if it's an untestable one, but does it count as an explanation?

In that respect, is it a scientific hypothesis, albeit a woefully poor one?

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God knows how to confound those who think they are wise. In fact, He is smarter than all of us on this planet at this very time put together. That is just an inkling of what He knows. I think I will trust a God who knows everything than man who thinks he knows something. JESUS CHRIST rules!

kenblaster5000 said:

God knows how to confound those who think they are wise. In fact, He is smarter than all of us on this planet at this very time put together. That is just an inkling of what He knows. I think I will trust a God who knows everything than man who thinks he knows something. JESUS CHRIST rules!

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So all those creationists (men) who think they know something really aren't on the right track, gotcha.

Nathan Poe said:

But when has God ever said "I did this" to you or to anyone else?

Please note, if all you have are other people claiming God said it, well -- you're not going to convince anyone.

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You are right, we will not convince you by saying that Jesus Christ changed my life, but I do not have to prove it to you. If you want to find out, take the journey yourself.

I did this:

Genesis 1:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Genesis 1:4

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

God calls the light He created good, but He does not call the darkness good. It is good to walk in the light, but not in darkness.

In the light, we can see where we are going, and the light shines upon those things that are not exposed in darkness. This is why people do not come to the light. What is in the darkness is brought to light and people know. Now, I can say I have seen the light, and that these things have had the light shine upon them. This is a testimony by the way. But, you will not believe because you have not experienced what I have experienced.

I cannot understand say if you broke your leg, if I have never broken anything before. I believe your story that you broke your leg at one time, but I can not empathize with the feeling.

By the same token, you could believe that I have experience God if you truly wanted to. But, if you decided to, you might have to face those things that the light would shine upon, namely sin.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned , and come short of the glory of God.

God has some pesky commandments that we have all read. He put them on stone, and in the bible, as I would put rules on a refrigerator that I expect my children to obey. When children do not obey these, they are punished, not in the sense of the lake of fire for my children, but are chastened and rebuked, because we are to love them and bring them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord. They get punished so that they may learn to follow the rules.
I like to follow the commandments because the word says that those who love Him follow His commandments, and I love the Lord Jesus Christ.

When I break one of these, not that I look for an excuse to, I still have a mediator between God and I, Christ Jesus, that through Him I have access to the Father for pardon of my sin, so that He may cleanse me from all unrighteousness.

Righteousness is not from what I do. Righteousness is acquired by what God does. By His Son's blood I am made righteous. Right standing with God. It feels good to be in right standing or relationship with God. Not to a church, not to a pope, not to ralse doctrine, but a God who is very much alive, though some would say He does not exist.

Psalm 14:1-2

1. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2. The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

These are the words of David, who God said had a heart after Him. If God approved of these words, then what does that say about the fool?

Be blessed and choose life.

kenblaster5000 said:

When I break one of these, not that I look for an excuse to, I still have a mediator between God and I, Christ Jesus, that through Him I have access to the Father for pardon of my sin, so that He may cleanse me from all unrighteousness.

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How comforting to be able to evade any consequences for your transgressions. I can see why religious belief is so appealing.

By His Son's blood I am made righteous.

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How convenient to have someone else pay for your crimes with his death.