Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?

[CoderHead]

If the father is ignorant and he passes on his ignorance to the son, the son will become just as ignorant, or even more ignorant. Then God punishes the son for the ignorance of the father.

Ignorance is genetic? Or are you saying the father will teach the son to be ignorant? The latter is probably pretty true. However, the son wouldn't be punished for the ignorance of his father; he'd be punished for his own ignorance. The son has a choice whether or not to accept his father's ignorance and doesn't need to rely on God to break the cycle.

With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - 2 Peter 3:8.

Adam lived 930 years, and then he died. - Gen 5:5.

So we're using an obvious metaphor to judge a literal measure of lifespan? It's difficult to keep up with a discussion if you're going to jump back and forth like that. However, since both Adam and Eve ate of the tree, could you please tell me how long Eve lived before she died "that day?"

I think Darwin might have the answer to that.

This is an utter nonsense retort.

That’s because He wanted to keep the mosquitoes out.[/color]

Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh!

 

[Doveaman]

And as no one is good, and you yourself said you are either good or evil, everyone including you and me is 100% evil?

Yep.

Only God is good.

It gets better, because if you assume that you have to be good to get into heaven (which I presume most Christians do),

Most Christians would be wrong to presume this. Heaven is free.

and you can never be good, then we're all going to hell.

God through Jesus did good for us all because we are unable to do good ourselves. We put our trust in God's goodness which He did for us and we’re all going to heaven. Apart from God's goodness we all go to hell. Thank God for His goodness.
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Where does satan live?

In the hearts of evil men...and women.

But some are more good than others?

Not by God’s standard.

“There is no one who does good, not even one.” - Rom 3:12.
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And if Satan healed a child that would be evil?

If Stan does it, it's all evil. Don't trust him.

relying on the actions of two prominent individuals is a major folly for determining good and evil. Why? before the NT God was a killer. does that mean killing is good? Killing babies is good?

If God does it, it's all good. Trust Him.

You do see the problem here right?

Nope.

Your definition is twisted and flawed

Your definition of “Killing” when applied to what God does is twisted and flawed.

God doesn’t kill the way man kills. God takes. All life belongs to God and He has every right to take what is His if He chooses to. We do not.

The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it - Ps 24:1.
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When Satin obeyed God by not killing Job, was he doing good or evil by following God's instructions?

Evil.

It was a selfish act of self preservation on his part. He was afraid of what God would do if he didn't obey.
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In the Bible, "Lucifer" does not refer to Satan, nor does it refer to a being who became Satan.

That depends on which Bible you read and how you interpret it.

How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! - Isa 14:12.

He [Jesus] replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." - Luke 10:18.
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So God sanctioned Evil then?

Nope.

He allows it.

Freedom of choice is important to God, even if it means Him having to endure evil behavior for a while until His purpose for it is completed.

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness." - Gen 1:26.

Knowing good and evil by hard experience goes a long way in helping us to know to avoid the evil of Satan and to pursue the goodness of God.

In other words, since we rejected the easy way in the garden, we now have to learn the hard way not to do evil and to pursue good.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Just curious here. is there any place where you can see all the different cults and rituals/rules/mindsets that have sprung from the bible over the years? i generally divided them up in "folks who take it litteraly" and "folks who pretend it means something they want it to" but im starting to think that in the interest of fairness i should probably learn a little more about it all to understand the mindset.

It seems to me that if everything we do is evil why are there guidelines that tell us what is right and wrong? so is that believe shared by all religious cults?

 

[Doveaman]

Ignorance is genetic?

Yep.

It’s in our nature.

“I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do — this I keep on doing...What a wretched man I am!” - Rom 7:18-24.

Or are you saying the father will teach the son to be ignorant?

That, too.

Fathers are in the habit of doing that, weather actively or passively.

The latter is probably pretty true. However, the son wouldn't be punished for the ignorance of his father; he'd be punished for his own ignorance.

True. But the ignorance came from the father. So God also holds the father accountable.

The son has a choice whether or not to accept his father's ignorance and doesn't need to rely on God to break the cycle.

He has a choice, yes, but the natural tendency is to choose ignorance. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. This is why God has to intervene.

So we're using an obvious metaphor to judge a literal measure of lifespan? It's difficult to keep up with a discussion if you're going to jump back and forth like that.

So you do believe in a literal Adam!

However, since both Adam and Eve ate of the tree, could you please tell me how long Eve lived before she died "that day?"

Based on the evidence of biblically recorded ages (the oldest being 969) I’m thinking she didn’t live pass 1000.

In any case, the statement was directed toward Adam.

I think Darwin might have the answer to that.

This is an utter nonsense retort.

What do you mean?

Your quote:

If there was no evil, how does one become evil?

If there was no human, how does one become human?

Darwin knew how.

Satan evolved.

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[CoderHead]

So you do believe in a literal Adam![FONT=&quot]
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Not sure how you reached that conclusion. I was merely asking you to either choose metaphor or literal history. Which is it?

In any case, the statement was directed toward Adam.

So even though Eve disobeyed God and ate from the tree, only Adam was punished? What are you saying?

Satan evolved.

Evolved what? Humans became "human" by classification only. We still retain some of our ancestral composition. It's not accurate to say, "once there were no humans and then suddenly there were humans."

However, you are indeed proposing that once there was absolutely no evil, but then Satan spontaneously became evil. If there were no such thing as evil, how did Satan become evil? If everything is good, how can anything be evil?

 

[pgp_protector]

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Satan evolved.

Macro or Micro Evolution?

 

[BananaSlug]

I guess the Jewish people are just a story.

Stories can have false information and true information

Are you responsible if your adult son or daughter decides to rob a bank, and is caught and imprisoned?
You brought them into the world, so you are responsible. You should be the one imprisoned, not them.

That is a bad analogy. If I knew my child was planning on robbing a bank and I did nothing to stop them, I am responsible. God knew A&E were going to eat the fruit.

He’s not that smart, otherwise he would stop trying.
Satan is always up to no good. That's why he is the quintessence of evil.

Yet Satan can only do what God allows him to do. So why does God allow it if he is all-good?

Satan might have intended to upset God’s Salvation plan (Serpent, Pharaoh, Herod, Judas, Atheists, Et cetera, Et cetera, Et cetera), but God turns all Satan’s intentions on their heads and incorporates them and uses them in His Salvation plan.

So why did he create Satan in the first place, knowing the trouble he would cause?

God’s plans never fail.

Except for the whole ridding evil from the world with the flood. Or driving all of the Canaanites out of the promised land. Or...

 

[Gracchus]

God’s plans never fail. Otherwise, He wouldn't be God

"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." KJV Genesis 6:7

If at first you don't succeed... Still it turns out he changed his mind again.

 

[pgp_protector]

"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." KJV Genesis 6:7

If at first you don't succeed... Still it turns out he changed his mind again.

But maybe it was His plan to Drown all the babies & children & allow the children to watch their parents drowning.

 

[Spacewyrm]

Not by God’s standard.

God's standard is pretty useless, then.

That depends on which Bible you read and how you interpret it.

How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! - Isa 14:12.

He [Jesus] replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." - Luke 10:18.

These passages are completely unrelated to each other.

The only reason people take "lucifer" to be a proper name is because the KJV translators forgot to translate it from Latin.

 

[AV1611VET]

The only reason people take "lucifer" to be a proper name is because the KJV translators forgot to translate it from Latin.

Did their predecessors forget as well?

How art thou fallen from heauen, O Lucifer, sonne of the morning? and cutte downe to the grounde, which didest cast lottes vpon the nations?

Howe art thou fallen from heauen O Lucifer, thou faire mornyng chylde? Howe hast thou gotten a fall euen to the grounde, which didst weaken the nations?

A! Lucifer, that risidist eerli, hou feldist thou doun fro heuene; thou that woundist folkis, feldist doun togidere in to erthe.

 

[Doveaman]

It seems to me that if everything we do is evil why are there guidelines that tell us what is right and wrong?

Where did we get those guidelines?

 

[ReverendDG]

Did their predecessors forget as well?

maybe not the kjv, but some where along the line someone did.
pagans called venus lucifer, i have to ask why pagans would use the name of an angel only found in christianity?

 

[Spacewyrm]

Did their predecessors forget as well?

It appears so.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Where did we get those guidelines?

Well that is my point. If deists believe god gives us morals and the ability to tell right from wrong. why did he bother if everything we do is evil by default?

 

[Gracchus]

Well that is my point. If deists believe god gives us morals and the ability to tell right from wrong. why did he bother if everything we do is evil by default?

If everyone is terrible then I am no worse. If all I have to do is believe in Jesus then I do not have to reform. So, I can have my neighbor's wife and not feel bad about it. After all, I am only human.

 

[Doveaman]

If everyone is terrible then I am no worse. If all I have to do is believe in Jesus then I do not have to reform. So, I can have my neighbor's wife and not feel bad about it. After all, I am only human.

That's because you do not know what "believe" mean. Your dictionary definition of "believe" falls way short of Jesus' definition. Jesus' definition demands reform.

"Now reform your ways and your actions and obey the LORD your God. Then the LORD will relent and not bring the disaster he has pronounced against you." - Jer 26:13.

 

[AV1611VET]

The only reason people take "lucifer" to be a proper name is because the KJV translators forgot to translate it from Latin.

Did their predecessors forget as well?

It appears so.

Everyone's wrong but you, eh?

 

[Cabal]

Everyone's wrong but you, eh?

Another irony meter gone....

 

[storm9]

If God says, 'I have done this' Then this is a good enough explaination for me. Short answer is yes, is it good enough to be an explaination. If you dont believe him then its a question of faith not science. God's wisdom laughs at the folly of men, see Proverbs. Good luck!